• Sybil@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    it’s not whataboutism to say Obama deported, killed, and tortured people. it’s a fact, and it’s relevant when discussing his legacy.

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      8 months ago

      What are your sources of information, specifically about his deportations and his immigration policy? Are you basing this on “everyone knows” type of knowledge, and finding it superior to someone relaying to you firsthand knowledge and a cited source with an argument?

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        8 months ago

        feels like you’re asking me whether I’m believing statistics over your anecdotes. I am. I am believing statistics over your anecdotes.

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          8 months ago

          Okay, so you don’t have a deep familiarity with the topic. It’s okay, I’m not really an expert either. But, I’ve looked at the full statistics (I sent you a table), which add some extremely important facts to the “deporter-in-chief” quick one-liner criticism. And also, I have some secondhand experience with it, which is usually a pretty valuable thing to have when the anecdotes are used in addition to statistics.

          So, where did you get your information? Is it just that you know the term “deporter-in-chief” and that deportations went up, because everyone knows those things, and that’s it as far as what you know about the topic?