Can’t say I blame them at this point but the consequences of that are probably going to suck for them.
Paycheck to paycheck and your payment is more than you spend on groceries. And your loan has doubled in size because of interest. And will continue to grow. Meanwhile your credit is garbage and you can’t get ahead. Bad credit? Crappy car, needs fixes. Higher interest rate. I’m 41 and trying so hard to get ahead of it.
At the very least cap the interest for people. Or how about no interest. You can’t chip away at something that’s growing faster than you can swing at it.
Best we can do is crippling debt in a dystopian shitscape to pay off the degree they lied to you about being able to get a good enough job to raise a family because you got that degree, taking on tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.
I agree with you here. I’ve always said, if you’re putting in work to get an education, the interest on the loan should be zero. Yes, zero.
Over time it means the lender (read: govt) loses money, so what. The increased tax income for an educated employee more than accounts for that. Even if it didn’t, what’s the downside to an educated workforce for anyone but those in power?
Education should not be a for-profit scheme.
The government has no problem giving away 0% interest loans, often with principal forgiveness, for tens of millions of dollars to fund infrastructure. How is university not a similar investment in the future?
Counter argument–having bad credit is also meaningless if you can never afford to purchase something like a house, and you’re ok with purchasing used vehicles and renting from smaller landlords and not property management companies.
Credit is a fucking scam to begin with. It’s insane what companies like Equifax have gotten away with.
Wholeheartedly agree. And then we go around panicking about the authoritarian social credit shit China has. Mfer we’ve have social credit for decades
In my state all the lenders came to the legislature several years back and make a big push to try and come up with a new type of credit score that was primarily based on driving history. Apparently, driving history is like a way more accurate predictor of your credit worthiness than your financial history. So I guess my point is that they will scrape data anyway then can get it and use it to judge how much you have to pay to access money.
Respectfully, that is apples to oranges. You are unable to function as a regular person in China with bad social credit. Here you can’t get loans and sometimes your employer sees.
It’s a far less bad scam than the previous version of be a white guy that’s friends with the local bank.
No. At least under that shit system your information wasn’t hacked and you didn’t have zombie debt.
Definitely encourages people to work under the table.
Part of the reason there’s such a push for cashless payment.
The consequences already suck. It’s damned if you do damned if you don’t. At least I can keep (some of) my money this way.
Do you though? Don’t they garnish wages over it?
Yeah, there’s going to be a whole lot of upset people when the government inevitably starts garnishing their wages.
Oh hey this is about me 😂
Yea!!! I borrow money and then I dont pay it!!! Great!!!
What do PPP loan takers have to do with this conversation though?
Can’t wait to see their response. Oh wait, it will never come because they hadn’t through about that.
I mean, the PPP folks should also pay back their loans? Although I think when those loans were given out it was stated that they had a possibility of becoming discharged. Still, pay back your loans.
I never understand whataboutism because usually the answer is just the same in both situations. I guess folks are just used to arguing with ideologically inconsistent people?
Sure, but something wild like 65% (and I think thats one of the lower figures) of all PPP money went to things other than what it was supposed to be for. They still forgave something like 75% of all of them. Imagine if half of all students used student loans to buy a Lamborghini, then they forgave more than half of all student borrowers. Wildly different rules for Americas ruling class. No big political or media push around the PPP loan forgiveness either which is strange, almost like the student loan forgiveness uproar is media fabrication to protect the SLABS that rich investors hold. Im sure few would be mad about loan forgiveness if all of the loan went to the employees paychecks during covid instead of the employers bankroll.
Is this one of those things where is enough people don to pay, one of the financial systems will be ripped down?
Worth a shot.
All these comments whining about how this will hurt credit scores, pay attention to the laws that we have currently. Student loan companies cannot take any action on unpaid loans for 1 year from the start of repayment. Interest still accrues but they cannot garish wages like all these morons are saying. That means for most, you don’t need to pay anything until after the next election. Use the only leverage we have and don’t pay back the loan for at least a year. Make them earn the vote and do something else to cancel these loans
One year isn’t a long time. That’s quite the limb to go out on without any kind of certainty that it won’t ruin your credit in a year.
Fuck credit you are never going to own a new car or a house.
You know nothing about me, friend.
i think it was the royal “you”
You go from saying it won’t happen to saying you have a year countdown. Make up your mind. No one is saying it’s going to happen tomorrow.
1 in 10 will have bad credit and won’t be able to apply for anything.
Like housing they can’t afford anyway?
If they system isn’t going to give anything back for being a good citizen, then why would they? There’s too much stick and not enough carrot.
I took out my student loans to get a teaching degree. I worked full time during school, but tuition at my public university was 10k$/year when I was making $16k. My state has effectively made it illegal to be transgender in a public school, so despite a devastating shortage in my area of expertise, I can no longer work in the career I took the loans out for. My option is now to take out more student loans to pay for a masters degree and hope that I’ll be able to save up enough to move out of state, because I want to do the thing that I love to do and am good at. I will be a debt slave for the rest of my life.
You should look trying to move to a state before taking the loans. Plenty of states need teachers and are willing to pay for you to get your master’s as part of retaining you.
Yeah, when i was in high school in NY, you were allowed to teach as long as you are in a masters program.
What the fuck? What state?
The state that just hired the LibsOfTikTok person to evaluate school materials… and is going after a principal’s license for dressing in drag on the weekends. Imma be vague because my life sucks enough without getting Chaya involved…
Beene added that there are other options if you want to make your viewpoint on student debt forgiveness clear that don’t involve risking your financial future, like protesting and writing to your elected representatives.
“But have you considered begging?”
All of that relies on the belief that anyone with any significant student loans have a financial future. Most of us are so far up shit creek, give me that civil disobedience paddle.
And when you consider that the debts are packaged into an investment vehicle, there’s no fucking way they’re going to vote on student loan forgiveness. Don’t want the value of all those securities to tank.
Also: “Incel Udent Debt”
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if you need your citizens to have a post-secondary education to keep your country humming along, MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET THE EDUCATION AND NOT BE BURDENED WITH BULLSHIT DEBT. FREE COLLEGE. FREE UNIVERSITY. FREE TRADES SCHOOL.
It’s already free. Everything is on the Internet. We need employers to step up and put in their own tests, questions, etc instead of relying on degrees to create a pool of potential employees. Some places already do this.
We need employers to step up and put in their own tests, questions, etc instead of relying on degrees
Oh yeah, let’s put control of post-secondary education into the hands of corporations. What could possibly go wrong?
This doesn’t put education into the hands of corporations. It’s here already… on the internet. You can watch entire Standford or MIT courses for nothing right now.
That’s not education lol
I learned new programming languages online using courses like those. I use them fairly consistently at work. I also went to a 4 year university prior to that. Learning online was both cheaper and faster. Also, a few university classes I took were 100% online. No difference except for cost.
I test those that I hire now with real-world problems - all of which have college degrees due to company policy to limit which resumes I can see based on requirements. There’s a huge difference between these people - some don’t know anything and some are fairly well-versed. This standard education thing isn’t working.
Online lectures are a tool you can use to educate yourself; the lectures aren’t educating you.
Education is an action done by a human being.
If that’s your definition then it’s the same as college. Most courses I took had 200-300 students in a large auditorium where we just sat there a listened to the professor, took notes, read the book (that cost $300) and took a few tests. I also took a few online courses in obtaining my degree. Educating myself later was faster and more efficient.
Neither is living at a party institution for four years
Cool lie 👍 hope you don’t actually believe that
LOL! Love it
I’m refusing to honestly Even with the new saver plan or whatever it’s called you don’t save any money. Yeah the monthly payments go down but you end up paying almost 20k more through interest over a longer time. That’s not saving
You’re going to pay either normally or through wage garnishment. It’s just a matter of where you want your credit sitting at when you start paying.
I mean… right or wrong, FAAFO with banks does not sound fun, I hope they have an exit strategy like to live with someone else as they drop off the grid.:-|
Yeah, much as I’d like to participate, I’m scared into being a scab. Life is hard enough as it is.
Don’t beat yourself up -
that’s the banks job.Like if someone scams you and you follow them to their house, break in and take your money back… you become the assailant at that point - e.g. if someone spots you, maybe not even the owner, and shoots you dead or whatever, then the fact that it’s their house is all that police are going to see and care about.
Movies and TV shows about vigilantes are fun to watch but the reality is that it is quite dangerous. Right or wrong, they have the entire weight of society behind them.
Find a way to resist that does not involve the likelihood of losing everything you have.:-)
What if they’ve built a system where peaceful resistance is encouraged but designed to be ineffective so the only way to resist effectively is to risk everything you have?
Then feel free to do so, bc at that point you know what you are risking, and more importantly what you are fighting for.
The banks won’t really care either way ofc. But you will notice, and at the end of the day that’s what matters.:-) There are worse things to lose than merely your life - like your soul (center of being).
Although… it wasn’t the banks who caused the colleges to scam students into getting loans. And most professors and staff at the colleges resisted the conversion into becoming for-profit - many (those who could) literally quit over it. The ones who caused that though have likely already cashed out and walked away.
But even they weren’t the ones who changed our economy from being one that worked FOR the people into one that used people to build more wealth for the already obscenely wealthy, and in so doing not hiring people with college degrees. As so many documentaries (like Inequality For or All) explain, that was Reagan on behalf of Republicans who broke the backs of the unions, and everything since has only reinforced and strengthened those steps.
In this place where I live, even every act of compassion is a form of resistance
That’s so sad… and yet all the more worthwhile then - dare to be different:-).
I agree. More power to them, but I’m way too risk adverse to personsally stop paying. I genuinely hope they can induce some change. I guess that makes me a scab.
I hope this debt is forgiven someday, but I don’t have enough faith in the powers that be to risk my future on it.
I mentioned to someone else replying at the same time as you did:
Don’t beat yourself up -
that’s the banks job.Like if someone scams you and you follow them to their house, break in and take your money back… you become the assailant at that point - e.g. if someone spots you, maybe not even the owner, and shoots you dead or whatever, then the fact that it’s their house is all that police are going to see and care about.
Movies and TV shows about vigilantes are fun to watch but the reality is that it is quite dangerous. Right or wrong, they have the entire weight of society behind them.
Find a way to resist that does not involve the likelihood of losing everything you have.:-)
Civil disobedience is making a comeback.
I’m here for it!
Refusing to make payments on a debt that can never be repaid is smart.
That guy wrecking his credit over $1200 is not.
Student loans are rarely $1200
Real talk - How will not paying convince conservatives to be for student debt forgiveness? They’re the ones blocking loan forgiveness, and this is a demographic of people that does lean toward them, so why would they listen?
IMHO, showing up to vote is what would actually put the fear of god into these politicians. Not paying a loan will totally fuck up your ability to rent, get a credit card, get reasonable car insurance, and even get a job. Bad credit is no joke.
It won’t, but I hope most of these people realize the only way it’ll change is consistently going to vote and keeping their family updated on what to vote on.
you voted for the most liberal candidate you had available for presidency already.
Not paying a loan will totally fuck up your ability to rent, get a credit card, get reasonable car insurance, and even get a job.
I don’t agree to credit checks from landlords.
I have reasonable car insurance.
I don’t agree to credit checks from employers.
I do have a credit card and I test it once a month on a small purchase, usually coffee.
Any other dire warnings you wish to inform me about that do not match the real world?
Don’t match the real world? Just because you have been lucky to avoid that stuff doesn’t mean that a LOT of us haven’t experienced that stuff.
Credit checks are common in housing markets with limited supply, all the largest auto insurance companies in the US now do credit checks, and jobs in industries like finance and security often add a credit check during your pre-hire background check.
And god forbid you ever need some serious financial products like another loan. That is off the table.
Must have somehow missed this repeatedly my entire life. Totally a real thing I am sure.
It depends on your age and where you live. You may have gotten into housing, an insurance policy, or your gig before this trend took off.
It’s now a big enough problem that a handful of states have started to draft and pass legislation that bans credit checks for insurance, housing, and employment. So, if you’re in a place like CA or MA, you might not notice that this is fair game in most of America.
That said, a lot of this fuckery is still super common and fair game in most of the US.
Housing: 6 years ago
Car insurance: I think about 3 maybe 2.
Job: 3.5 years ago
Do not live in CA or MA or a state that has rules like that. In fact 11 years ago a landlord did ask me and I said no. She backed down when I said I wasn’t going to bend on the issue. Of all the places in my life this was the only one that asked.
But yeah you continue to worry
I get the feeling that dude is in his 20s. Bless his heart.
strikes* will put the fear of god into politicians
also the benefit of not paying off those loans is they are actually left with a bit more money.
strikes* will put the fear of god into politicians,
Striking of matches, maybe.
Yeah these people are only hurting themselves. The US isn’t hurting for cash and sooner or later those loans you’re avoiding turn into garnishments.
And they’re not eligible for bankruptcy relief either
As far as I know indentured servitude is illegal in this country already, I’m pretty sure that’s reason enough not to pay.
They are conscientious objectors in that sense and I’m cheering them on.
Except, if don’t pay they don’t even need to sue to get a default judgment and garnish your wages.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-my-student-loan-creditor-garnish-my-wages.html
I checked and there is one change. It’s easier to discharge through bankruptcy (although not simple by any means) under the current administration although without congressional change it’s still an uphill battle there too.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/student-loan-debt-bankruptcy/index.html
I am applauding the act of resistence, I don’t think the fact that garnishing wages is a consequence should dissuade those from trying to take a part in resisting. It doesn’t make the debt culture we saddle our children with, for a chance at survival, any less immoral. Any resistence in such a culture is therefore a moral obligation.
