Pelosi is just saying that opposition to genocide means you must be Russian, which is what I keep hearing from pro-genocide centrist Democrats on lemmy.
I don’t get why those same centrists are turning on her.
She’s obviously corrupt, as evidenced by her investment history. And her recent actions come off as overly performative and tone deaf, like when she kneeled while wearing a Kente cloth. Aka, she has bad aesthetics, and neolib voters only see politics through the lens of aesthetics
More importantly, it’s probably true that Russia is involved in spreading inflammatory propaganda on every side of every hot button issue in the United States. Their goal is to divide us and to erode our establishments moral standing. So they very likely are boosting both pro Palestinian and pro genocide messaging to accomplish that goal.
Russia is involved in spreading inflammatory propaganda on every side of every hot button issue in the United States. Their goal is to divide us and to erode our establishments
Exactly, everyone should be realizing this by now. China, Russia, Iran, and more are all probably doing this all of the time, because they have seen how effective it is to destabilize our democracy that they fear. People’s basic brain processes are drawn to the inflammatory news, and social media algorithms promote these things to get views because it makes them money. It all rolls up together into a giant ball of shit that’s crushing everything that’s good.
Yeah exactly. Which in no way negates the fact that there is a very real genocide being carried out by Israel with the support of the United States. That is true and is real and needs to be stopped.
But it is in Russia/Iran/China’s interest to exacerbate tensions on all sides of such a genocide, including by generating and boosting inflammatory social media content that is seen by Americans. A consequence of which is that a record number of Americans are seeing Israel’s actions for what they truly are, which is good - but this is not being done for remotely altruistic reasons
There is no genocide lmao. If israel wanted to, Gaza would be gone tomorrow.
“There is no genocide - if Germany wanted to, the Jews would be gone tomorrow” - You, in 1935
Exactly.
All these contrarian takes telling pelosi that she is wrong when iran and russia admit to this manipulation is insane.
I have to been on lemmy in weeks and wont be for many more.
This network is a cesspit
Source for Iran and Russia admitting this?
Can they also investigate her insider trading?
If the cons want to understand (ah, who am I kidding, they don’t want to understand anything) why many of us in the reality-based community chuckle about the idea of Pelosi even being half the liberal they seem to think she is…they might take a closer look here.
As a liberal, peolsi is sham lol anyone not pro Palestine is just evil
What if you’re anti-Middle East as a whole? I’m entirely against it as it has a bad history with no resolution in sight.
Then you’re just a racist.
This has to do with racism or being against religious institutions and states? Hmmmm…
What if you’re anti-Middle East as a whole? I’m entirely against it as it has a bad history
Definitely racism.
Are you willing to explain how it is racist to see how that region has always has the pressing issue of devout followers of religions engaging in war? Compare and contrast with how secular countries interact with each other.
Almost all of Western history has some religious motive for anything happening. What are you on about?
Yes, but we can see improvement in relationships between countries over time as influence of religious institutions waned down over time. We’re not seeing much of a improvement within regions that are more correlated with emphasis on religions, and especially Abrahamic religions.
that region has always has the pressing issue of devout followers of religions engaging in war?
From a historical context “That region” was in a golden age for hundreds of years with a heavy emphasis on education, engineering, and the arts. The downfall of the golden age is attributed towards elites maintaining too much political power and driving focus away from education and scientific output.
Very similar to what we’re seeing with the US now. Your argument can entirely be pinned to the US now with Christianity, instead you choose to blame the region and the people for whatever reason that might be.
The issue generally isn’t ever religion, religion is used as a tool to fuel hatred by the elites. I’m also not including the massive amount the US has fucked the middle east by unnecessary intervention to fuel their own geopolitical advantage and wealth, which again elites using fear and hatred to increase their power and wealth. People aren’t the problem the elites are.
Greed is part of the puzzle. And, there’s a section of population that fully-well know what they’re doing, and in context of US, evangelicals as well as oligarchs are to blame for the current state within US. And looking at bad faith argument given by Republicans, yes, the people that supports then are to be considered at faults. If religion is being used as a tool, and it doesn’t offer anything from the materialistic point of view, then yes, you can argue for the abolition of religion as a whole.
And I do agree with that US interventions didn’t really help matters.
This cunt needs to go the fuck away.
It makes perfect sense to check if there’s a good reason. I’m curious because many of the protests recently at US universities were supported or started by people who weren’t students.
Source?
The US has gone so hard to the right that there are McCarthys on both sides now lol
She wants a broad, populous group investigated for crimes that haven’t been shown to exist… what’s the law matter when it isn’t making the rich richer, right?
The only reason Israel courts Russia is to let them bomb Syria without Russians shooting them down. Russia constantly calls everyone Nazis. No one in Israel actually likes them
So this November Americans will be able to choose between literally a Nazi and someone who strongly supports genocide and treats anyone who doesn’t support it as a traitor.
Good luck with that
strongly and eagerly supporting genocide is pretty much just the colloquial definition of Nazi, so IDK why a distinction is necessary. It’s two Nazis on the ballot.
oh friend, I wish only the Nazis supported genocides, there is a wide range of ideologies whose lack of morality you are unaware of
Sure, but lets also investigate the House for financial ties to billionaires.
…and Russia, probably.
And investigate both sides - Russia will support both extremes in any issue that causes unrest in Western democracies. So investigating only one side is a useful propaganda tool but kind of misses the mark.
Financial ties? She is a billionaire.
“Hey guys, we need a surefire way to make our base stay home instead of vote when we have a literal fascist running who will end the Republic if he’s allowed to win!”
Nancy: “Say no more fam, I got this.”
Weird way to say 3rd party
Weird way to say secure Trump’s victory.
A vote for a third party is a vote for Trump. Don’t be an idiot
Could you please write out the math where my 3rd party vote adds a tally to Trump?
Every vote that Biden loses to a third party means Trump has a better chance of winning the state. Unless you are voting in a pure Blue state like NY,CA, etc or a pure Red state like FL, OH, etc then you are giving Trumptard a better chance to win by not voting for Biden
Every vote that Biden loses
Oh, so Biden is entitled to those votes? Interesting democracy you’ve got there.
Then Biden and the people who elected him in the primaries should do some self reflection.
Contrary to popular opinion on this site, most Americans don’t support a cease fire in Israel. I don’t either. Not until Hamas is gone
Then find the votes you need elsewhere.
Latest polling shows over 2/3 of Americans want a ceasefire, that’s both Dems and Repugs.
Consider examining your own bias for bloodlust instead of pulling sentiment out of your ass.
The only thing shocking here is that commenters seem outraged that this would be considered a possibility.
There is a hell of a lot of a lot of foreign interference in American news and politics. Russia, China and the Saudis know no one can defeat the USA except the USA so they push as much division as possible on both ends of the political spectrum.
Wish I was getting paid to support Palestine.
Yeah, pretty sure the money is on the other side.
She is right
These fucking dinosaurs just don’t get it, do they? They come from a time when Israel and the US were blood brothers, one and the same, when it would be unconscionable for the American public to have any other view than carte blanche 100% support for Israel.
Now that view is finally (slowly) changing but they’re too old and come from too different of a world to realize it, or if they do realize it (they have plenty of smart people working for them) then they just don’t grasp the changing tides
Vietnam war all over
“Foreign agents are brainwashing our youth to be against the war”
