• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    I mean it definitely depends on the circumstances. If Russia attacks here then I’m absolutely fighting.

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      Who would you fight? The missile coming at you? I don’t think we would need many soldiers in a fight vs Russia.

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        If Russia attacks here then I imagine it would be somewhat like in Ukraine where manpower definitely helps.

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          They can’t attack here like in Ukraine as there is no land to move across. They would have to use their sad navy to try to land troops crossing many miles of ocean out in the open. Not possible.

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      That’s how they do it, you know. Build up the enemy as this absolutely big bad that you feel you have to.

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        Russia attacks my country

        “You know, that’s how they do it, they make Russia feel like the big bad enemy you have to fight against”

        Lmao WHAT?!? If they’re literally attacking my country then of course I’m fighting to defend it??

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            It makes a huge difference if I live under democracy in Finland or under Putin in Russia. What the fuck are you smoking

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            I’m not sure if you misunderstood the discussion but this is what I wrote (bolded for emphasis)

            I mean it definitely depends on the circumstances. If Russia attacks here then I’m absolutely fighting.

            I’m saying that if that were to happen, then I’d fight in the WW3.

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              What if Australia invaded your country? Obviously the if is because you consider it a possibility.

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                What if Australia invaded your country?

                I would defend it.

                Obviously the if is because you consider it a possibility.

                Not how hypotheticals work but it obviously is a possibility.

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                  Ehhh… Not really. The one thing that the US has over every other nation currently is its deep water Navy. We could project power like that, and have done so for about 80 years now… China is the only nation that is even building a deep water Navy, but they have yet to attempt to project power past one of their neighbors.

                  Australia has literally zero chance to invade Finland no matter how much shit talking the Russians blame on Finland.

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            Found the Russia apologist. Obviously Russia was used as an example country because they are actively and illegally invading Ukraine right the fuck now, while threatening to invade the rest of eastern Europe.

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              How am I an apologist for pointing out chicken little bullshit? Do you fantasize about Russia invading your country? Let’s be realistic here, Russia can’t even overtake Ukraine and you think they’re going to take over the world.

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                The person you originally replied to lives in a country bordering Russia that was invaded by them in the past.

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                  About as likely to be invaded as Canada. Just look at how much they’re struggling with Ukraine.

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          An important detail to notice here is that a user calling themselves kusimulkku is likely to be writing this from Finland. Which may result in an important difference of perspective.

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            Finland is correct. Though I have no idea what sort of situation those other people assumed to warrant such a claim.

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              If Russia attacks the US, our government would try to use that as a recruitment tool, and would probably succeed.

              Meanwhile the majority of us would be cheering on the Alaskan citizens that are armed for wildlife that would stop a T-70 in its tracks, to say nothing of the poor Russian conscripts.

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              There is the danger of manufacturing consent.

              https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/remember-maine-1898

              Raising tensions then using an incident to light the touch paper.

              Russian’s at the border is one thing.

              But the most likely “attack” on the US is going to be much smaller.

              Note the Houthis attacking merchant ships. Under a US flag.

              There are 2 options

              1. retaliate.

              or

              1. tell the ships to go round and use sanctions and other non violent diplomatic tools to resolve the situation.

              Option 1 is an escalation.

              Option 2 is not.

              The US military is is an odd position. I’d defend Ukraine from Russia. I’d defend Palestine from Israel. I’d defend Israel from Palestine.

              I wouldn’t support an aggressor.

              There is a moral obligation to support violence in that it must be a necessary defence.

              Joining the US military we’ve grown up seeing the US as an aggressor continuously. Supporting aggressors, not sanctioning them.

              Then with Ukraine there is reluctance to help a defender.

              A country that invaded nations at the drop of a hat 20 years ago has a recruitment problem. No surprises there.

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                If Russian troops are crossing the border then it’s Russians who have manufactured the consent for violent action to drive them the fuck away.

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                  I agree, but if that’s the way the US, or any other NATO country, gets attacked I’ll be surprised.

                  This is not the war that is proposed, it’s a series of proxy wars. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the decades long conflict with Palestine.

                  Ask if you’ll defend yourself, you’ll say yes.

                  Ask if you’ll defend others, the answer is usually “it depends”.

                  Ask if you’ll go fight in a proxy war which protects largely corporate interests, you’ll say no.

                  Joining the American military is saying yes to all 3. That’s the recruitment issue going on there.

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          Look mate, all I’m saying is that Russia is saying the same things to their citizens. And Germans were saying the same things to theirs. And the Pope was saying the same things to the crusaders.

          Likewise, a country is just imaginary, made by the rich to separate who can exploit the people in a specific geography. By all means, fight for it, but just know you’re being played.

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            Russia literally attack my country, Russian soldiers are pouring over the border, I’m about to join to defend it

            “You know Pope told the same thing to crusaders, besides countries are imaginary, why do you care if you live in your own country or as part of Russia under Putin. You are just being played.”

            Lmao, you people can’t be serious, this is beyond fucking stupid

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                wants to defend my country from Russia literally attacking and trying to invade it

                “You do you mate”

                I’m in awe. This has been the best exchange I’ve had in quite some while. I’m almost too flabbergasted to laugh

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          Russia attacks my country

          To quote the Greatest President of My Generatoin “We need to fight them over there so we won’t be fighting them over here.”

          That’s why I’m enlisting in the Ukrainian National Guard and I hope you’ll all join me.

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            I’m fine with just sending money and materiel to support the Ukrainian efforts. I’m hoping to avoid fighting in a war.

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          And I even specified I was talking about a situation where Russia attacks my country. Fucking lmao, not sure what those other guys are smoking.

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    Millennial here. Can confirm, I’ll be staying home and doing my own thing. One live isn’t worth more then another and I’m not going to war. If you’re going to put me in jail because I refuse, then maybe I need to find a different country to live in.

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      On the very off chance they restarted the draft, there are tons of reasons the Pentagon would fight conscription, make sure you know asylum procedures or have the stuff ready to immigrate. Run don’t try to just ignore the draft.

      They, the last time they did the draft, didn’t just throw normies into jail, they grabbed them then kicked them over to the military and then if you ran away and got brought back after being AWOL they just deployed you and let happen what happened, regulars frequently discovered that these sorts had… uhh… “accidents” at a more frequent rate.

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      If you run against a war with Russia then the war will catch you eventually. Are you planning to live the rest of your days in an obscure South American nation?

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        As opposed to to your life ending in a few short months on a battlefield?

        Sure. Why not.

        It doesn’t have to be Sth America. US men dodging the draft were given political asylum in Canada or Sweden during the Vietnam war and an estimated 60-100,000 fled the US.

        So it is actually:

        Decades in another modern western nation or weeks/months on a battle field?

        Easy choice.

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          I asked it in question form because I was legitimately curious. Where do you plan to go while the world you leave behind devolves into an authoritarian hell? What other “modern western nation” would be left if Russia and/or China expands all the way across Europe as well as onto US Shores?

          You don’t have a second life to flee to if the west fails to defend itself.

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              I asked a legitimate question. I want to rationalize running away against a threat like that, I would never sell my soul to the military complex for anything other than necessity, but it absolutely doesn’t make sense other than for selfish shortsighted cowardice.

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                Nah fuck ya’ll Ima sign up if we have an enemy worth fighting for the first time in my life.

                Yet you say things like this.

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                  Yes, because as I explained, running away against a threat like that doesn’t make any sense. Did the sentence structure confuse you?

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      Millennial here, I’m pushing 40, you wouldn’t want me even if I was willing to fight.

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        Well in times of desperation they probably don’t care. If it’s real bad it’s not “can you hold a gun?” it’s “can you take a bullet?”

        Anyway, just do a Ted Nugent. Take as many drugs as you can and shit yourself.

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      then maybe I need to find a different country to live in

      I was born and raised in Germany and never changed my foreign citizenship, it was always on the bucket list. My husband immigrated in 2019, and since 2022 I am freaking out at the thought that we would change citizenship. Being a foreign citizen sucks sometimes, but in case of war it is extremely beneficial. Avoid drafting at home, avoid drafting where you live.

      So, moving in case of a war would be more than beneficial, you just got to do it early on, before they close borders. We had friends dropping everything and packing just their cat and passports the same night Russia attacked Ukraine.

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    I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

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    If that is an option for a western liberal state but it isnt an option for an authoritarian state, guess which state will win. And then it wont be an option anywhere.

    You have to fight for your rights. And authoritarian states know that your attitude is prevalent and they intend to exploit it.

    Now you might say “but of course i will defend against an invasion”. Well, what about an invasion next door? What about a tiny landgrab of let’s say 50sqkm. Would you willing to die for such a small piece of land? This kind of “small” infractions and hybrid warfare is how Ukraine almost lost its entire country.

    And this isnt a “Russia” thing, it is an “everywhere thing”.

    Hitler did the same, he didnt go from the start “you know, everything is ours”. No, they just went to help some ethnic germans in Czechia, then took a break(Munich Agreement). Then went to help some germans in Poland and took a break(Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact). And since they were winning and those damn russians might attack them, they might as well attack first.

    Strongmen and authoritarians only respect and understand power. Anything else appears as weakness to them. If you are not willing to use violence and they are, then you will lose. Even if you dont lose now, you will lose in the future.

    PS And no, people wont “rise up” against an authoritarian government. Thats not how things work.

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      You have to fight for your rights.

      Agreed, which is why we need to turn the guns on our own ruling classes.

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        And then after that, Russia, right? That’s the plan, right? Hang on, if that’s what we’re doing, then can we just fight Russia first, actually?

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          We’re already not fighting Russia so nothing changes there.

          But hey if you want to start WW3 go for it.

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                Yes, so, as we were saying, “when shit starts” which is the core of this entire discussion then Deceptichum will betray his country and murder servicemen as if WW3 hadn’t already begun.

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      If that is an option for a western liberal state but it isnt an option for an authoritarian state…

      It’s definitely an option in an authoritarian state. Thousands of men left Russia once the draft started. At one point 10,000 people a day were crossing into Georgia.

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        Most people dont have the option to leave their country. In fact, it is infinitely harder to leave your country under an authoritarian government for precisely this reason. And one of the main reasons some people managed to leave Russia is simply because Russia wasnt as authoritarian as it could be.

        Restricting movement, even within the country is a typical authoritarian policy.

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          This is particularly true if you’re poor. “Why do they always send the poor?” Because they either can’t leave or fighting is the best financial opportunity. The latter is true in the US as well.

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    This sentiment of ‘I’m not going to fight’ is funny until the war actually starts. And then it’s either you fight early, or you fight late. Sometimes too late.

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      100% agree. The only thing that makes me feel better about a lot of the dumb tankie shit people say here is that I know most of them are under the age of 20.

      I said dumb shit when I was young too. But I grew out of it. I’m hoping these kids do too.

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        Nah. I’m in my 30s. Fuck dying face down in the mud in a foreign country while protecting ruling class control over others. It’s not a sign of maturity to claim fealty to a system that doesnt care if you live or die, so long as you make your landlord and boss richer.

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          lol… okay. No worries. When the time comes… others will do that for you so you can sit on your ass and complain about how bad everything is while doing nothing to change it.

          Don’t bother responding. Blocked you like I have everyone else with shit attitudes similar to yours.

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      I figured I’d just fuck off out of here before shit goes down. In fact I have no idea why I’m even living in this shithole instead of a paradise island. It costs about 1/10th as much, is tropical, beautiful, and so poor nobody would ever think of invading it. I don’t know about you but I can make that work.

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        Something tells me you’re from the USA. There are other Western governments, and other places that are arguably better (as in, more comfortable/safe) to live in. Many people have dependents, or things to loose that they value over one’s life.

        So yeah, it may be an option for you but that beautiful tropical island won’t fit millions upon millions of people living in the collective West.

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      Wasn’t that amaricas strategy in the past 2 world wars. Like we basically just waited for everyone to wear echother down.

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        Until someone was like, check this MF out just sitting there, they’re just waiting it out for everyone else to wear each other down!

        Incidentally, this was Russia’s plan, too. In fact, still is. We should really pounce on those fuckers while they’re weak.

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      that’s the main issue though, at least in the US, many citizens feel it would be better to have a complete clear of the entire country so they likely just wouldn’t fight if invaded, the amount of anarchists and just anti-government folk have been gradually rising ever since the pandemic. It doesn’t seem like health wise the country is doing well regardless of the economy status. It is super demoralizing seeing all the news platforms only focus on external wars or how the south is arguing over if it’s legal to jail someone over abortion that happend outside of state line, meanwhile a good portion of folk despite having one of the lowest unemployment rates in years is still living barely paycheck by paycheck. Most feel there’s just nothing they can do.

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    Hey if anyone’s a lawyer or knows what they’re talking about what’s the current consensus or constitutionality of conscription in the US? I think it’s illegal under the 13th amendment (which literally bans servitude AKA forced service) and the only court case I could find had the opinion of “well everyone else does it!”

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      If I remember my constitutional law classes correctly, conscription was canned after a series of Supreme Court cases where conscientious objectors successfully argued that under the 1st amendment they could not be made to serve. Since “religion” is very loosely defined in the US, pretty much anyone can claim that conscription violates their free exercise of a peace-loving religion.

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          In this context, it means “disposed of,” or “abolished.”

          It can also mean “fired,” as in “Donny showed up to work drunk, so he got canned.”

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          During the Vietnam era, several people used the 1st Amendment to avoid getting drafted. To quote Wikipedia, “United States v. Seeger, 1965, ruled that a person can claim conscientious objector status based on religious study and conviction that has a similar position in that person’s life to the belief in God, without a concrete belief in God.[4] United States v. Welsh, five years later, ruled that a conscientious objector need have no religious belief at all.” Widespread opposition to the draft during the Vietnam era led to official termination of the draft system in 1973. Since 1980, adult males are again required to register for military service in case their country enters a state of war. But there is no real punishment for failing to sign up, and the country hasn’t officially been at war since 1945.

          Edit: sorry I can’t get the quote to work and it’s late at night here. This’ll have to do.

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      Yeah I think there’s enough precedent at this point that it wouldn’t just be a flip a switch and make it happen. I mean, they would make a new switch. Couple of quick shuffles, some policy. The thing is, even if it was cut and dry and clear in current law, The ability to compel the general public is essentially non-existent. What happens when 50% of the population refuses to answer the call? Hell what happens when 10% of the population refuses to answer the call? We can’t even incarcerate 0.1% of the population more at the moment. Do you compel the banks to stop working with them? Void their social security numbers? How would you even have enough people to enforce any punishments against them?

      On the flip side, what do you do when the homeland is invaded? What happens if China decides that we’re looking kind of weak in the middle of a civil war. It’s one thing to be conscripted to fight a war for other people trying to stabilize a geopolitical climate, but what happens when they’re knocking on your door? Do you just accept them openly and hope that they will let you keep your things?

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        The US has something like 0.6% of the country as military troops anyway (both active and reserve). That’s over 2M people.

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          Hard to tell which part of my questions you’re answering.

          But on one hand you wouldn’t be able to use them to compel the other people to come into the military because they’d already be in use.

          On the other hand if China was actually serious about invading, those numbers are utterly insignificant. Hell, if they feel at the same percentage for their military, It would probably be bigger than our damn population.

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              They do, but 99 out of 100 of them would be completely useless against any form of coordinated insurgency.

              Arming yourself is pretty effective against a single person trying to get you, or even against a local security force that really doesn’t want to die for their job. Look at Uvalde. If that was a military off it would have been over in seconds.

              The actual number of people that take the time to do target practicing and can hit a moving target, The number of people that can properly maintain a firearm, It’s nowhere near the number that are actually armed.

              And to be honest it probably wouldn’t be a D-Day style invasion. They’d probably work their way into government. Spread a bunch of propaganda around. Sew discontent, feed infighting. Attack education, gerrymander and otherwise rig the votes, Dismantle the branches of government and place their own agents to take over laws and legal rulings. By the time real boots were hitting the ground would be so entrenched in internal combat we wouldn’t know it hit us.

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            I meant that the US has a huge standing army despite the constitution not wanting that. Even in the event of a large geopolitical war they’d probably not even need extra persons.

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      Yet, young us men still have to sign up for ‘selective service’ when they turn 18.

      Gillette sent me a free razor as a reward, at least.

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    Before World War I and World War II, many thought things would not escalate until we realised it was far too late. The British intelligence thought the assassination of Franz Ferdinand would only be contained regionally instead of escalating to a world war.

    Most wars are class wars and most issues are class issues. But most people are not class conscious. The base tribalism is instead drummed up to distract us from the real root cause. We’re seeing the rise of the far right in many countries such as in Europe, US and India. Most of the rise of the right is due to influx of migrants, who are displaced by neocolonial foreign policies of corporate backed governments and capitalism-induced global warming.

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      But most people are not class conscious.

      I think you’d be surprised. Just most of us realize that socialists are ineffective at accomplishing anything. Simultaneously both naive and arrogant and too obnoxious to be able to create a movement most people would want to be a part of.

      Simple truth of it is, in the long run we’re all dead anyway. Better to improve the system we have then wait around for socialists doing endless naval gazing dialectics over which ideological framework a stance on an issue would be in before then deciding whether they’re for it or against it.

      We’ll all grow old and die before socialists do anything other than complain about how stupid the workers are for not appreciating in their genius.

      Keynes > Marx

      Biden > [Do socialists even have their shit together enough to even have a leader?]

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        You don’t have to be democratic socialist to be class conscious. You just have to be aware that much of inequality and injustices arises from growing wealth disparity.

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            The problem with Bernie is he thinks democratic socialism is Scandinavian style democracy where free market still exists but heavily regulated. Most Americans confuse between social democracy and democratic socialism. And that turns off Americans with supporting more expansive welfare programs and regulations, aside from decades of broad anti-socialist propaganda.

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          Yeah, you should really be aware of wealth disparity on a global scale. Every American is pretty much in the top 5% of the richest worldwide.

          Disparity won’t be fixed by taxing American rich. It will be fixed by plunging every American to Indian poverty standards.

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            Yeah, if you compare with other countries the Americans are wealthier. But if you compare Americans in the Rust Belt and flyover states with those on the coast, the wealth disparity is much more contextualised and meaningfully comparable. Now we see why Trump is winning in the polls.

            If the wealthy and well off keep ignoring issues, liberal democracy will die and we’re going to have World War III.

            “People who are hungry, people who are out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.”- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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    I mean I’m pretty anti-war, but assuming my country isn’t the aggressor then I would probably enlist, epseicallly since given my skills (and age) I wouldn’t be on the front lines anyway.

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      If you live in a America or Russia chances are 90% that your country is the aggressor.

      You’re just gonna hear stories about heroically defending “defending” Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan while mass bombing civilians.

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        Cool, good thing I’m not American then.

        Ans also realistically ww3 would start with American and other allies defending Taiwan from invasion.

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          I dont think China wants to make the first move. America is starting to create an uprising in the middle east right now by keeping israel’s genocide going which could be an actual catalyst. When America is busy elsewhere China will likely try to annex Taiwan.

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              This is fantastic stuff.
              So if we’re talking about the broader picture, i.e. Hamas being a product of Israeli policy, then we must talk only about what has gone on since Oct 7th. But if we want to talk specifically about the genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza that’s been happening since Oct 7th, we must instead focus on the 80 years before that date.
              Fantastic stuff.

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                Yup. Kinda like how if we focus on genocide, which let me be clear I think is a perfectly reasonable issue to be a single issue voter over, we’re accused of being a single issue voter. But if we list other things too just to get the point across then we’re entitled children who are just angry we didn’t get everything we wanted.

                Fantastic stuff indeed.

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                  If the single issue is something as monumental as genocide, or climate change then I don’t think the accusation of being a single issue voter is one that needs any defense. Yes, I’m voting on this single issue, because it’s that important to me. It’s not parking tickets, immigration quotas or marginal welfare claims, it’s THE FUCKING FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE.
                  It’s not idealistic or naive in any way to be insistent on topics like these. The opposite is true: it’s jaded and cynical to treat them as merely political.

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                They count the pieces individually as war victims. And if a seperated foot doesn’t hold a gun then he is obviously a civilian foot.

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              The number of Jews in concentration camps increased thousands fold during WW2. This must mean they were having babies like hamsters in there right?

              If you don’t understand what “forced migration” is where israel ethnically cleanses Palestinians from Palestine into the Gaza area, close your Wikipedia page. You are not fit to interpret numbers

              Currently the south of Gaza has a massive population increase. Palestinians must be having a lot of babies there according to you. It can’t be that there is forced migration going on from the North to the South right?

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                Actually your post is one giant lie and you know it.

                But you might change your mind if one day a Gaza terrorist rapes your daughter in front of your eyes while his buddy cuts of her breast and feeds them to dogs.

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              No the one where ignorant fools like you defend Israel committing genocide on Palestinians because they are too close minded to see the mass scale slaughter of 25,000+ people through the filter of their childishly naive politics.

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                Russia and China have a great interest in the West abandoning the Middle East, let their content farms churn away at it

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                The Genocide where the number of Palestinians increased five times in 80 years?

                That is a strange genocide…

                If Hamas surrenders there will be no more war.

                If Israel surrenders there will be no more Israel.

                And by the way, I don’t understand why “we” have to feed and supply the displaced. They are within Hamas Territory and by the Geneva Convention it is the job of Hamas to supply their population. In fact by the Geneva Convention the Gazans would even have to pay for their own occupation.

                The Gazans voted Hamas to power. Fuck Around, Find Out. Nobody had mercy with the Germans in WW2 and Hamas is much worse.

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                  You have a disgusting, willingly ignorant outlook about human lives when they are Palestinian, at least admit your bigotry you fool.

                  Like honestly, your opinions are so toxic you are literally doing a genocide denial IN REAL-TIME as it is happening in front of your eyes. That is literally one of the ways to have the worst, cringiest opinion on the internet so impressive I guess?

                  I am not going to even respond to most of your arguments because so they are so blatantly false or twisted but I want to point this out in particular…

                  And by the way, I don’t understand why “we” have to feed and supply the displaced.

                  What a pathetic, miserly way to look at the world even if your country had ZERO hand in the genocide happening in Gaza against Palestinians right now. Shame on you.

                  Shame on you for not valuing human lives because the dumb political talking heads you listen to told you not to care or listen to the suffering of tens of thousands of innocent people. You have wasted your time becoming a child who knows nothing of the world and worse has stunted their capacity for empathy.

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            Russia will invade a NATO country, then China will invade Taiwan when its NATO vs Russia.

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        What is happening right now that makes you think America would be the aggressor?

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      Alright everybody get in line behind this guy! He’s first in line to feed the machine

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          This makes you sound like a suicidal fascist. I know that wasn’t your intention but I’d just like to point out that’s the second best kind, after dead ones.