This will take place ~24 hours from now. Feel free to post and upvote questions beforehand in this post, as it will turn into the AMA tomorrow.
This is a chance for any users, admins, or developers to ask anything they’d like to myself, @nutomic@lemmy.ml , @SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml , or @phiresky@lemmy.ml about Lemmy, its future, and wider issues about the social media landscape today.
What is your take on right wing subs like !conservative@lemm.ee ?
Should they get the boot? Good for growth? What do you think?
What’s wrong with a “right-wing” community? I’m not right wing but I’m definitely not afraid of them. Anything can be solved with education. Why would you censor based on what side of the political spectrum you’re on?
Because it signals to actual neo-nazis that it’s safe to set up here, and of course they take their pedophilia and toxicity with them. Remember all those CSAM attacks that were happening? They were all coming from those instances with a reputation for being soft on the right.
They treat passive tolerance as active acceptance, and then throw disastrous temper tantrums when they find out that isn’t actually the case.
Is this your opinion or do you have actual evidence for this?
I’ve done a little investigation in the matter but as the admin for lemmy you should have a way better information on the subject.
So you are making factual statements with zero facts to support them. Got it.
I apologize.
Why should there not be right wing subs? Would we not just be becoming like Reddit by banning them?
Do you think the problem with Reddit was that they removed the_Donald?
Regardless, this should be an instance decisions and others are free to defederate with any instance hosting content they don’t want to see. Just like what happened to exploding heads.
Not soviet, but that removal was unpopular for a reason.
I don’t think it should be an instance decision. The best part about the fediverse is that we can pick and choose what we want to see.
How do you see this playing out? Instances are free to set and enforce their own rules and standards. You can’t force them to host content they don’t want to.
The way it plays out is
I don’t know what mental model someone is working from to draw such a conclusion. A free speech absolutist one? A consumer rights one? 🤷
Whether there should be right wing comms is up to an instance’s admins, and whether other instances should federate with it is up to the admins of other instances.
As for
absolutism, consider the paradox of tolerance.
The USian obsession with free speech comes from the over-application of a first amendment right. That freedom is in fact a restriction on the State to suppress speech, and not a restriction on Lemmy mods or admins.
important context: Lemm ee has a conservative c/ run by a pedophile who the admin of that instance protects.
I would hope we aren’t going to start kicking people out because of there political views.
Conservativism isn’t a political view, it’s a crime against humanity. They have exactly one ““legitimate”” claim (lower taxes) and the rest is shit like “lets make child marriage legal”, “lets murder people for crossing the border”, “lets dogwhistle neofascist hatred” and “lets roll back every human right known to man” and that’s before you get into the MAGA shit which is every form of outright nazism stuffed into a trenchcoat.
Instances with conservative /c are all full of notoriously toxic and anticommunist users who go around making the federation way shittier.
So to summarize, you don’t think women and minorities should be able to arm themselves? Got it, thanks.
Conservativism is when guns
Communism is when you hurt women, minorities, and the poor.
Just to be clear, being conservative is very much a political view. No one is making you agree with there views and no one is making you spend time on conservative communities.
Additionally you are complaining about them being anti communist but you are very anti conservative. Maybe we should just keep those two ideas in there respective communities. I certainly don’t care for people posting about communism or conservative ideas on random posts.
Well that’s just the thing, they don’t keep to themselves. I’ve no problem with people having different views to my own. That changes when they start harassing anyone who expresses views distasteful to them. Maybe that’s justifiable in cases where the “other side” are actual nazis, but it’s a lot harder to make that same justification when it’s the other way around. What I care most about is freedom of speech which doesn’t just turn into “oops all nazism” because you can get that nearly everywhere these days and i’m already starting to see traces of that taking root here too, at least on some instances.
This is so ridiculous I dont even know where to start.
You’ve probably better things to do than to go into this, but maybe someone else here can showcase the flaws in my reasoning. All I have to go off of is my own personal experiences and what I see is a direct translation of right-acceptance converting directly into right-wing toxicity.
Perhaps you are not aware that some instances already do, and that some—for example hexbear & lemmygrad—have done so since their inception.
I think the instance admins should handle that. Lemmy itself should be a open and agnostic platform. Admins should use defederation and block specific communities.
(My oppinion, I’m not associated with Lemmy development.)
I’m not a Lemmy dev but I’m interested in this question so I’m commenting so I remember to check up on this one.
I subscribe to that sub because I feel like it’s important to engage with people that I don’t agree with. Even though the two main contributors to that sub are peculiar in their views, I haven’t seen them break any rules of lemm.ee or post outright hate to any group but democrats.
I know sh.it.justworks had their own drama with a the_donald popup community which led to calls for defederation before the community was banned but if people are posting within the rules and properly moderate their own; we ought to let them post their politics even if we don’t agree.
Lemmy is licensed under AGPL which states that everyone can use it, there are no restrictions based on politics. Besides, “right wing” is not the same as “evil”, the real world is much more complicated than that. If you ask me, the whole right-left classification is way too simplistic and doesnt make sense anymore (if it ever did).