To the feds in the chat that think running some bizarre psyop for dark brandon is going to work, you need to format your shit better. Pay somebody to do the job better than the people you currently pay. Fonts, messaging, everything. (What program did you even use to get dynamically sized lines like this lol?..)
You can try to make us ignore the MIC/1%'s power over both sides, but when the people truly wake the fuck up, remember that you’re leaving a massive trail of evidence.
Ignore the genocide ladies and gentlemen, make sure you “never” vote 3rd party because it would “never” work.
Lesser of Two Evils? How about the fuck no.
I will not vote for Trump.
I will not vote for Biden.
Your move DNC.
Choices:
Biden: Kinda meh, has a lot of flaws
Trump: Literal Fascist Dictator
“Both Sides equally bad, trust me bro”
…
Look, it is pretty simple:
At the Vote: Lesser of two Evils
Rest of the time: Organise for Change!
It should not be that difficult guys, why do we need to repeat this again?
They probably understand but prefer to not vote for the lesser evil out of emotional reasons. IMO this behaviour appears to be similar to people voting for neoliberal far-right parties out of fear and disappointment although it’s completely detrimental to their interests.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
I would like to take concrete steps towards the US murdering fewer brown people. As a trans person things have got worse under Biden (I don’t care about being able to serve in the fucking military lmao).
For all the fashy rhetoric from Trump (he almost literally demanded a kent state during the floyd protests), the squishy center pretended to care about opposing the government when it was doing terrible things. From my perspective that opposition was clearly all coming from a sense of tribalism, because our government is doing worse things now and we’re getting memes about how baller joe biden is.
When the Republicans end up in power they’re like the dog catching the car because they have to do all their unpopular stuff in the open and everyone hates them. When Democrats are in power everyone stops caring when they do demonic shit, so it’s full steam ahead with world war 3. Clearly nuance is lost on liberals and they need a BBEG (painted red) in power in order for them to oppose their own government.
I shouldn’t weigh in that much as I don’t live in the US and only follow US politics from a distance.
I can even very much understand the opposition against the “lesser of 2 evils” notion. Of course I also have emotions (haha) and when I look at the far-right populists in my own country and how the established parties have failed so many people and let the rise of inequality continue… Then I too don’t want to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But I regularly realise how my emotions misguide me. How I become more blind to the reasons why politicians (even conservative ones) act like they do and that it’s not just out of greed, evil and ignorance. How complicated the world is and how grey instead of black and white. Luckily I live in a country where a respectful discourse between political rivals does occasionally happen and allows me to deradicalise myself a bit.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
US “democracy” is structured so that most people living in it are essentially disenfranchised. People make a big stink about voting online, but there’s no popular vote, if you live in a “blue” or “red” state your presidential vote is pretty much purely symbolic. If you’re not a white suburbanite basically all of the centrist elected representatives you will have will smile at you, but ignore 100% of what you say.
Jesus Christ I swear Biden supporters are starting to get as annoying as Trump supporters.
You can’t criticize anything about their dear leader ot they come out of the woodwork to defend him.
Criticise Biden all you want. Just recognize despite your criticism, he is a better option than Trump in every way (and no, there is no third option).
If these are the only two options in our current system
1.) god help us
2.) let’s tear down the system
Unless class conciousness forms in America tearing the system down would result in a mad max hell scape and probably the end of of the human race because of the acceleration to climate change.
They don’t care. The Great Satan would be dead. That’s all that matters to them.
It’s the only two options in the system because the American people are not as left-wing as your average fucking Lemmy user.
God help us
Yeah. God help us. But tearing down the system, while temporarily satisfying as millions die, will not be the solution we want it to be. What emerges will have the exact same problem as long as it is democratic and the American electorate is not changed.
Even as someone far more right than the average lemmy user, an 80 year old and an almost 80 year old being the only two options is absurd.
Absurd, yes, but an absurdity that is endorsed, unfortunately, by the voters.
Not really.
Yes, really. Fuck’s sake. What, you think Trump is using his entire net worth of negative 500 million to bribe a massive group of actors sworn to secrecy and change all the GOP primary outcomes in his favor?
You don’t have to like it. It’s the reality right now though.
this like saying eating shit is a better option than starving. One is just slower, but it’s still going to kill you.
Are you right that biden is better than trump? yes. Are you wrong in that, that is an argument for Biden? absolutely fucking wrong. that is an argument for-not-trump… of which there are hundreds of millions of people in the US that are both not-trump and eligible to president. there are at least “50 other democrats”, per Your-Dear-Leader-Himself that can absolutely beat trump.
the question isn’t if Biden is better than trump- we’re still in the primaries. The question is, is Biden the best possible democrat candidate. to which that’s an emphatic “Lol, no.”
the question isn’t if Biden is better than trump- we’re still in the primaries. The question is, is Biden the best possible democrat candidate. to which that’s an emphatic “Lol, no.”
Is he the Democrat candidate with the best chance of beating Trump, is the important question.
Regarding the importance of name recognition and the low-information status of most of the electorate, that is a ‘sadly, yes’ moment.
I mean so who’s better than biden at this stage? I wish there was but I can’t think of anyone
We could have had Bernie but the dems didn’t want some one too progressive as president.
then that is a failure of your imagination.
There are numerous options, any one of which- with Biden’s support- prove to be a far more popular and viable candidate. or did you think “Blue no matter who” only applies to centrists? Warren, Klobechar, AOC, Buttigieg, Even bernie, Phillips. Newsom. Probably, any candidate more progressive than a stick in the mud would have a better chance than Biden winning.
I miss when lemmy wasn’t full of fucking libs.
This is a leftist meme – It’s showing all the accomplishments Joe Biden made, and yes he is a leftist.
Since when is insulin $35? My prescription a month ago was almost $4k.
I think it’s about to become price capped, I recall reading about it recently
That, and are you seriously paying 4000 dollar a month for insulin? Because those are maffia prices
Brainwash bullshit, yikes. Even if these things were true it was congress that passes laws and enacts legislation and not the president dictating this shit.
One of the panels literally says Executive Order #…
That wouldn’t be something I would call a significant thing he did. That EO provided extra medicaid and medicare funding which has been described as “not enough”
Despite that executive order millions of Americans are still uncovered. He ended the pandemic funding, he ended covid testing and this does absolutely dick for the majority of Americans that have health care but have things like HDHPs and I still can’t afford to go to the doctor.
Sure the president enacted this, it isn’t significant and without an act of congress it won’t even last a year. He made that EO because his landmark legislation Build Back Better failed in congress and that was a make up provision which was less than intended.
You have valid complaints here, none of which were originally stated. You said:
Brainwash bullshit, yikes. Even if these things were true it was congress that passes laws and enacts legislation and not the president dictating this shit.
All I was trying to do was point out that this statement is blatantly false with evidence from the original meme.
I agree with most of your sentiment, EOs are not long term solutions. You can’t say that the president is not responsible for them though.
Not sure who you think The Left™ is but we’re mostly angry about him supporting genocide. I guess because he did so those good things we should just ignore that?
I never really got informed on the whole situation. Do you have a good snyopsys of it?
People do not understand diplomacy or war , don’t care about informing themselves or understanding nuance, and like acting and feeling smart. Most of this criticism is purely emotional.
The US and Israel have a very tight strategic relationship and part of it is the US delivering weapons to them. Now the Israelis are annihilating Gaza/Palestine because of the Hamas, and many are demanding a “ceasefire” and holding the US responsible for not stopping the weapons deliveries.
Now, there’s certainly a lot to criticize about Israel’s lack of care against civilian casualties. However, the calls for a ceasefire agreement with the Hamas, who literally do not care about anything other than sowing chaos and discord and destroying Israel, is naive at best and completely dumb and malicious at worst.
If the US stops all weapons deliveries, the Hamas will just recoup and continue to harass Israel. It should be noted as well that the Hamas have shown time and time again to not care about their own population and that they just love using them for their personal gain, especially in international appearances (like this “Genocide Joe” circle jerk).
Because of Israel’s lack of care for civilians the US is now, at least according to the media, putting more and more pressure on Israel to watch human rights if they want to keep the endless weapons supplies.
It’s quite a complicated topic and I’m not an expert myself, but many takes on it out there just completely disregard reality in favor of catchy slogans and appeals to emotion.
It’s quite a complicated topic and I’m not an expert myself, but many takes on it out there just completely disregard reality in favor of catchy slogans and appeals to emotion.
It’s really not, ethnostates are categorically shit and there’s no fucking nuance there. You said it yourself “Israel” is a geostrategic interest of the US, because of its location.
if “Israel” didn’t exist, the US would have to create it. That’s a direct quote from Joe Biden.
The “pressure” they’re applying is just for the cameras to spin and gullible rubes to believe. The actions speak far louder. 3 aircraft carrier groups mobilized because the second-poorest country in the middle east was trying to interfere with “Israels” genocide. They could stop weapons shipments at any time, they have instead sped them up.
There’s always nuance, you’re very wrong here. Israel is an ethnostate for very good reasons and (excluding the occupied areas) it’s clearly no apartheid state. Although it’s a Jewish state, the arabic Israelis within Israeli territory are not 2nd class citizens.
If just one of the countless “Genocide!” screamers on the internet could explain the discrepancy between the criticism of Israels behaviour and the concurrent absolute non-existence of any Jewish minority whatsoever in any of Israels neighbours… That would be great. While these are not all ethnostates they have eradicated or expelled their respective Jewish minorities a long time ago. But Israel is shit because it’s an ethnostate? Lol
the ethnostate apologizer has arrived. It is an apartheid state, that’s why South Africa has felt so compelled to call it out for its actions.
Before the british and french showed up, there were muslims, christians, and jews living side by side across the ottoman empire. Sure it had its problems, but consolidating all the jews into a US-backed military ethnostate is not the answer.
It served British, and now US geostrategic interests.
I also don’t think that it’s a good answer and I fully agree that the status quo of the ottoman empire was better and by a lot. Nevertheless there are double standards in how Israels actions are viewed by many self-proclaimed progressives or leftists when compared with the conditions in other countries in the middle east.
And just stating that this state of affairs is the fault of the US and European colonialist nations is devoid of nuance, obviously wrong and does not lead to any solutions at all.
I have lots of issues with the social conditions of the various colonized countries surrounding Israel, but I still offer them critical support in their resistance against colonial occupation.
I really don’t think that highlighting the historical culpability of the US/european interests in the current situation is robbing any nuance from the discussion. Across many different colonial occupations there has often been some social issue pointed to as the “reason” why it’s “ok” for the savages to be colonized, because it’s bringing civilization.
It may sound benevolent, but it that’s just european chauvinism, creating the terrain for poverty, then acting like the social reaction rising from poverty and occupation as some sort of inherent characteristic in a post-hoc justification.
Israel indiscriminately bombed 80% of homes in Gaza as well as hospitals and schools where people were seeking refuge, killing upwards of 24,000 people, 12,000 of which were children. The casualties used to be counted by the hospitals but after Israel bombed and destroyed many of them and put the others out of order, there is no mechanism for the casualties to be counted, so hundreds are dying and no one is able to keep track. The official numbers were based off the bodies that reached the hospitals so they are missing all of those who couldn’t be recovered from under the rubble, which are a large number because people recovering victims are doing it barehanded with no tools or vehicles. Israel cut off water, food, and medical aid from reaching Gaza. People have died from starvation, illness, and are being forced to ration water 2 liters a person per day for bathing, drinking, and washing meaning there is risk of death from dehydration.
The United States provided Israel with unlimited bombs in order to conduct this genocide. The US also provided direct military support by stationing its aircraft carrier near gaza in the Mediterranean in order to ward off any intervention against the genocide. Joe Biden bypassed congress in order to provide Israel the weapons and funding, not to mislead you that congress would have done anything differently, the entire United States government is genocidal.
Is there any back and forth or has it been one sided?
Inside the Gaza strip Hamas’s Al Qassam brigade has been engaging the invading Israeli military with small arms, mortars, and rocket launchers. The numbers of Israeli military casualties are not known because Israel censors them. Early on in the genocide Hamas offered to release its prisoners in exchange for a permanent ceasefire but Israel refused. Israel opted to continue its genocide, recovering none of its prisoners. In fact the Israeli military killed 5 of their own hostages. 3 were shot while waving a white flag in the street. 2 were killed in airstrikes.
Additionally, the initial civilian casualties on the Israeli side were also largely self-inflicted due to their indiscriminate use of force:
https://popularresistance.org/how-israeli-forces-trapped-and-killed-ravers-at-the-nova-festival/
A major reason Hamas launched the Al-Aqsa Flood operation was to take Israeli captives that could be exchanged for the thousands of Palestinians held captive in Israeli prisons. But Israeli forces were determined to prevent Hamas from taking captives back to Gaza, even if this meant killing the captured civilians.
An investigation of Israel’s long-controversial Hannibal Directive concludes that “from the point of view of the army, a dead soldier is better than a captive soldier who himself suffers and forces the state to release thousands of captives in order to obtain his release.”
Yes, Israeli eye witness testimonies point to the Israeli military shelling homes in the be’eri settlement with tank fire, firing onto festival goers from helicopters, and shooting at Al Qassam operators with Israeli civilians in the way. Israel confirmed that 200 of the 400 burnt bodies found were not israeli, meaning that israel bombed both Al Qassam operators and 200 of their own civilians during the operation, killing them and burning their bodies.
Just FYI to a bunch of commenters here…complaining about something that he successfully did actually doesn’t dispute the post showing all the stuff he did. If you’re mad about how low insulin prices got you’re proving the point.
You forgot “saved 1 million acres of pristine untouched land from the harm of mining” https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/biden-harris-administration-protects-boundary-waters-area-watershed
Biden bad, can I get some up votes please?
Let’s not forget he took over in Jan. 2021. Accelerating vaccine rollout was on his watch:
“With COVID-19 surging and vaccinations off to a slow start, President-elect Joe Biden will rapidly release most available vaccine doses to protect more people, his office said Friday, a reversal of Trump administration policies.”
https://www.ajmc.com/view/a-timeline-of-covid-19-vaccine-developments-in-2021
More vaccines faster seems like a good thing to me. It’s not clear whether you intended it to be read as a negative or a positive.
Yeah, should be more clear next time.
Definitely positive. Every member of my family is maximally vaxxed and boosted and nobody has ended in the hospital despite occasionally catching covid. We appreciate the speed of the rollout.
As a foreigner, so far, the most significant thing he has done so far is enabling a genocide.
why is this getting downvoted?
Stopped Keystone Pipeline Expansion
Ok, this is decent. But then we are still drilling and pumping oil and gas at record setting levels, more-so than any other nation on earth. Oil and Gas industry is still heavily subsidized, while subsidies and benefits for renewables have been taken away.
And to top it off, the absolute gimme of Joe Manchin’s Mountain Valley Pipeline through Appalachia.
So basically, as soon as he did the bare minimum with Keystone to pacify the vocal environmental activists on that project, he went right back to business as usual, and then goes beyond by rewarding Manchin with a new pipeline that violates every environmental safety standard imaginable in a mad rush to just “get it done”.
I’m going to have to chalk this up as a net negative for Genocide Joe.
We (the world) quietly changed the goal posts of the energy transition from low-carbon goals to energy security ones. If the US didn’t have it’s oil production capacity, the west and especially Europe would be at the absolute whim of a handful of pretty shitty countries and having a pretty average time…
It all leaves a very sour taste in everyone’s mouths, but can be largely seen as a short term security win.
I’m the opposite of a Trump supporter, but
- economic decisions have long latencies
- the improving curve of US economics started during Trump years and merely continued during Biden years
- economic decisions are largely made outside of the Executive Branch
You are right. Taking credit for the other party’s reforms has been going on for so long it’s just taken for granted now.
SECURED THE BORDER
Not just that. The reason it’s historic is that we have an historic amount of illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration because you have defined it to be illegal due to xenophobe sentiment.
Miss me with that shit - I’m an open borders guy.
The only TRUE anti illegal immigration position. There is no illegal immigration if it’s all legal. Based.
Let me guess: Open for legal immigration?
Are you people on drugs?
Fuck borders.
Not just that. The reason it’s historic is that we have an historic amount of illegal immigration.
I just read this as a defence of Biden’s border policy with something along the lines of “of course he has to secure the border, it is overflowing” argued on the basis of “illegal immigration has gone up”. Glad to hear I was wrong and also fuck fucking borders.
Nah. They’re claiming they’ve done something that people should see as good, but literally are doing the opposite.
Eliminate borders. Legalize drugs.
Who created this Liberal porn?
I thought Lemmy was a liberal site, not a leftist site
How is it even US ‘liberal’? “Secured the border?” Wtf is this??
Because they aren’t liberal policies, they’re leftist policies
I’ve seen some ‘if you don’t vote Biden you’re giving a vote to Trump’ Democrats touting a ‘secure border’ as being a positive for Biden. Trying to get 1moderates I guess?
As someone not from the US, “securing the border” and “moderate” seems to be a little contradictory unless you want to imply that straight up fascism is the norm.
How do secure borders and fascism have anything to do with each other? We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.
If you don’t secure your border, what’s the point of even having one? You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.
death to borders, death to the state
Relevant username for sure
What borders are insecure?
We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.
Borders have not always been so precisely defined, and the strict, universal passport system we have today mostly came out of WW1
You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.
What is this xenophobic nonsense? As if physical geography, population, culture, and language have no inertia. But more importantly, why are you concerned with demographic purity as your defining characteristic for a “country”? Why is maintaining this segregation important to you anyway?
Fair, I should have stated instead that “the free movement of populations has been controlled” since the dawn of civilization. Usually by guys with spears rather than by means of documents, true. But we live in a time with more freedom of movement than ever before, and the era of WW1 also happened to coincide with large-scale mechanized transport giving more people the option to travel than ever before.
As for the second part of your comment, rather than rise to the standard bait offered on Lemmy (“muh xenophobia!”) I refer you to my nearby comment, surely visible when you typed this one, that details several ways in which uncontrolled population growth has damaged my country.
None of which have anything to do with segregation or demographic purity.
I’m sorry that your government has failed to fund social services and regulate the housing market. I am unconvinced that this is the fault of migration
The DNC bots will always manufacture some existential crisis using fear to get people to vote for their candidate to further there economic agenda. With there not being a democratic primary they have made their choice to risk democracy itself. I will always vote against fascists but don’t shovel me a shit sandwitch and expect me to like eating it. They didn’t even try to give us the illusion of choice between shit sandwiches this time.
You read it here first: Trump is a manufactured crisis to drum up votes.
If it wasn’t trump it’d be something/someone else. I’ve seen this for the past 45 years. It’s the same every election. The republicans use the same tactic “if you dont vote for Bush the democrats are gonna take your guns away”. Every election recycle and repeat.
Check out a book called Manufacturing Your Consent and you’ll start seeing how your very own consent has already been manufactured.
I’ve also seen this. Gore was one of the most genuine public servants out there (which is apparent when you look at his congressional record), but he was caught in a narrative of “both sides are the same”. I believed that narrative at the time, but it didn’t take long after to persuade me otherwise.
Not that those who need to read them will, but I’m just going to leave these here:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
These are excellent, thank you!
End the MIC
