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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/10713383
Polls have also shown Biden’s support slipping among Black and ethnic minority voters, who helped drive his 2020 election win against Trump.
Analysts say Biden’s best hope now is a simple but quite specific number: that wages continue to rise faster than prices as they have done since April of last year, allowing consumers to feel that their wallets are fuller.
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It’s like these people don’t realize that unconditional US support for Israel has been the norm for the past forty fucking years, and that Biden is not only not at the top of the ‘supporting Israel’s genocide’ list, he’s actually probably at the bottom as far as presidents these past 40 years go. And if the Palestinian genocide only just interests you now, well, you’ve clearly not been paying fucking attention.
Children, morons, and disingenuous cretins. Some are all three.
This … is a lemmy.world mod engaging in hostile incitement of flame wars and unhinged personal attacks. Appalling.
Aww, him can’t handle truth.
Sorry for pointing out the obvious, lmao.
You’re attacking people who are on your side, and this upcoming election is too important for this type of behavior, don’t you think?
Also, an argument based on appeal to tradition is no argument at all. Slavery used to be the norm, openly opposing equity for women and LGBT+ people has been the norm.
These are no longer acceptable in 2023, nor should they be; nor is supporting the genocidal state of Israel. If people have just woken up to that, then good for them – this progress should be praised and encouraged.
These are not “morons” or “children” or … whatever else you called them/us. (I’m so disgusted with your incivility and abuse of power, as well as your discarding the opinions of large swaths of empathetic voters, that quite frankly I can’t be assed to re-read that comment.)
And how’d it work out for the Pres. that ended Slavery again, I forget?
Don’t see how this is relevant
Shocking.
Were Biden stupid enough to follow your advice to not worry about “the norm” as you put it, the same results. The only way to get actual change without disastrous consequences is to build popular, ie not a tiny minority of a very very few, support. Cutting ties with Israel both removes all our influence and assures a much larger blow back by the far larger number of folks that would view it as a betrayal. Voting third party is a waste of time until there is ranked choice or some similar. Not Voting to teach the Dems a lesson gets us another round of every more disastrous results. In 2016 this exact same idiocy resulted in the loss of Women’s Bodily Autonomy.
But the naive morally superior fools, provided they are not just shrubbery like the source of most of the talking points, in this thread would simply remove more protections for more minority groups.
Well, I mean you remember him as the president that ended slavery, if that wasn’t the most impressive thing about him then you probably have said said president who got shot in the theater by that actor
You’re attacking people who are on your side, and this upcoming election is too important for this type of behavior, don’t you think?
Sorry, I don’t play civility politics with “BOTH SIDES” types who spend all their time talking about how voting is worthless but they’re totally going to vote for Biden, if only everyone else is nice to them and doesn’t object to them passing around intellectually bankrupt talking points.
Also, an argument based on appeal to tradition is no argument at all. Slavery used to be the norm, openly opposing equity for women and LGBT+ people has been the norm.
You either don’t understand the argument or don’t understand what an appeal to tradition is. The argument is not “This is old, therefore, it is good”, the argument is “This is not new; Biden is not the architect of this policy, this is not a split-second decision that we can just reverse, this is a longstanding policy of the US that would take wide consensus to change”
These are no longer acceptable in 2023, nor should they be; nor is supporting the genocidal state of Israel. If people have just woken up to that, then good for them – this progress should be praised and encouraged.
“These are no longer acceptable”, only public opinion polls in the US and abroad show that’s absolutely not true. And if you’ve just ‘woken up’ to this, then it’s pretty fucking important that you understand that other people are still asleep, rather than passing around “GENOCIDE JOE” cliches.
These are not “morons” or “children” or … whatever else you called them/us. (I’m so disgusted with your incivility and abuse of power, as well as your discarding the opinions of large swaths of empathetic voters, that quite frankly I can’t be assed to re-read that comment.)
“Abuse of power is when someone says something, and the more I disagree with it, the more abuse it is”?
“Abuse of power is when someone says something, and the more I disagree with it, the more abuse it is”?
More like when you engage in unhinged personal attacks and rules violations to the point that a more effective mod has to treat you like a delicate young child and remove your comments.
Two of us have said we plan to vote for genocide-supporting concentration-camp building Joe, but that’s not good enough for you, is it? If we criticize him for his fascist-aligning genocide-supporting words and deeds, Big Bad Mod Daddy will piss his pants in the thread.
I have utterly no respect for you. Blocked.
Lmao, why are you so obsessed with the fact that I’m a mod for other magazines?
I expect the president to get with the times, especially during a major world event and human rights catastrophe. the voter base he’s going for supports israel less and less and the trend is downwards
The Voter base you think cares is far short of what would be lost if he didn’t support Israel.
It’s like these people don’t realize that unconditional US support for Israel has been the norm for the past forty fucking years, and that Biden is not only not at the top of the ‘supporting Israel’s genocide’ list, he’s actually probably at the bottom as far as presidents these past 40 years go. And if the Palestinian genocide only just interests you now, well, you’ve clearly not been paying fucking attention.
These clowns pretend like Joe Biden isn’t doing what every other US politician and potential presidential candidate would be doing.
It’s appalling, yes, and we should fight back against it. But to pretend like this is somehow unique to Biden shows a complete lack of awareness of US politics.
Uh… Reagan did better. MFing Reagan.
So are you voting for Reagan this year?
I’m concerned about 2024. So many voters were asked to hold our nose and vote for conservative Joe Biden, but he’s made it harder and harder to do.
He started off on the wrong foot by opening more concentration camps and sending his VP on an embarrassing gaslighting mission to Latin America, and it has just continued to get worse since then.
My expectations were already abysmally low to begin with, but even I didn’t have “openly supporting a genocidal state” on my bingo card.
I think I still need to vote for him because of Republicans, but my God it will be hard to live with myself after I do.
Which is a pretty damn good predictor that he’s going to lose. Nobody wins an election by everyone sighing and saying “fuck guess we gotta vote for them,” just look at Hillary. DNC is once again shrugging their shoulders and saying “we’ve tried nothing and are all out of ideas,” so guess it’s on the U.S. people to save democracy. They’ve got a real…great track record.
we’re gonna have to save democracy without the democrat’s help, which isn’t an issue because they were part of the problem to begin with
I think I still need to vote for him because of Republicans, but my God it will be hard to live with myself after I do.
Don’t be hard on yourself for making the correct decision.
If someone tells you that you have swallow stale lima beans or horse shit and you pick the stale lima beans in hopes that you never have to do it again… well it sucks but those were the choices. If 4 years later you have to do the same thing again… well you do it, because eating stale lima beans is always going to be better than eating horse shit, and you’re going to have to eat one of them.
You don’t have to feel like the lima beans are your choice, your preference, or your fault or responsibility. They were one of two choices available, and you made the right one.
I’m old, and I’ve been eating stale lima beans all my life.
In 2008, I was finally promised a meal, and I even campaigned for it. But it turned out to be more stale lima beans.
This stale lima bean routine is wearing thin.
I hear you man.
But still, if it goes on for 50 more years, would it ever be better to choose to eat a horse’s shit over stale lima beans? Of course not.
We need to change the menu. But that’s a different problem.
The question of whether to pick lima beans or horse shit is an easy one, and one that nobody should find controversial. And you should not feel bad for making the right decision there. Remember, your kids and neighbors have to eat whatever meal you choose too.
We need to change the menu.
We need to change the whole fucking restaurant tbh
Remember, your kids and neighbors have to eat whatever meal you choose too.
And I do too. I’m not far removed from this. My husband is a first-gen immigrant, I’m gay, I have family being detained by our fascist state, and family who are trans. I don’t know if I have the privilege to keep serving them stale lima beans, when the stale lima beans are slowly killing them. I desperately need a new meal.
I don’t know if I have the privilege to keep serving them stale lima beans, when the stale lima beans are slowly killing them. I desperately need a new meal.
You have an obligation to do that, until there’s a better choice.
In the meantime, we work on changing the restaurant. But until we do that, don’t feel guilty at all about choosing the better of two options!
Last time Trump got elected everyone got off their ass next time.
Maybe it’s time to take the nasty medicine to cure the disease.
The disease is the entire state and system.
Last time everyone had to eat horse shit they stepped up the time after that.
If no one’s smart enough to step up this time and bring a worthy candidate, then bring on the horse shit.
Maybe trump two electric Boogaloo will make everyone change their mind next time and wise up
Yikes. That’s some bizarre logic. You’d actually choose to eat horse shit because maybe next time you won’t have to eat horse shit, when you could just not eat horse shit now.
I don’t think we can communicate on any meaningful level when you’re this fundamentally irrational.
No I would rather force everyone to eat horseshit that way maybe they will put different options on the menu next time.
If you are going to use a metaphor follow it through
I didn’t lose the metaphor. You just took it for a turn I didn’t expect.
I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not a horrible person, but here you are straight up saying, in your own words, that you’d rather eat horse shit than lima beans, and you’d rather force your children, your loved ones, and your neighbors to eat horse shit than lima beans too.
I was expecting that you’d have some amount of empathy and the sense to eat actually food over something that could make you extremely sick or kill you. But you don’t. So as I said above, I don’t think we can communicate on any meaningful level. You are completely irrational and lacking in empathy, and we don’t value the same things.
This is the correct mind set as it really is a binary.
imagine if the republicans ran like democrats. would you switch to voting for a supposedly pro-choice pro-gay moderate republican? no? why are we told to expect the opposite, especially from a more propagandized group of voters?
And yet it feels like they really do have us over the fire, and the best they can do is call us Russian trolls and tell us to cope. That’s the best they have to offer.
Meanwhile, I have friends and loved ones being detained, deported, or worse – and they call me privileged if I complain about it.
I’ve literally been accused of de facto voting for Trump even when I disclose that I voted for genocide Joe. It’s cultlike and weird.
It’s cultlike and weird.
it is. I think they’re just scared and clinging to “vote blue no matter who” as a security blanket while the party acts like controlled opposition. I wonder what they’ll think when their strategy loses.
Because the alternative is fascists taking over. They’ll think the same thing we all thought in 2017 when a bunch of clueless fools bought the “both sides” Russian propaganda.
Lemmy is insanely loaded with said fools, literally every political thread is astroturfed with them.
They’ll blame us, again. They’ll blame leftists and progressives for not voting for their next bad candidate
Unfortunately America is a two-party system, it’s baked into how the voting works. Occasionally the identity of which two parties are the two parties changes, but not very often.
However, that doesn’t mean that there are only two possible candidates for presidency. The time when it’s “safe” to vote for a third-party candidate is during the primary elections. Incumbents like Biden still have a huge advantage in those situations but even so it’s a time when protest votes can be cast without harming the end result.
I’m not sure how this relates to my comment, and it feels like a deflection from my point. Can you explain how it relates?
it’s just a lie from someone who actually wants the right wing policies of joe biden and doesn’t want you to disrupt that
They explained a bit more in a follow-up, and I think I may have misinterpreted them, but yeah … I’m a bit raw about it, considering the unhinged rant a lemmy.world mod brought into this thread earlier! I think a lot of Democrats are just politer Republicans who want to dupe us into thinking they’re actually leftists, and they get super angry when we see the wizard behind the curtain.
I think a lot of Democrats are just politer Republicans who want to dupe us into thinking they’re actually leftists, and they get super angry when we see the wizard behind the curtain.
my thoughts exactly, especially when “moderate” democrats win and just continue the worst policies of their republican predecessors. politics doesn’t just happen ad teh ballot box and we should de-emphasize electoralism as it becomes increasingly useless at stopping fascism
I still vote, but I totally understand why people are disillusioned of the system.
The whole state is rotten. Always has been. We desperately need a real systemic change.
Some people can acknowledge the fact that we are currently stuck with FPTP without throwing tantrums that leads to far right wing policies instead of conservative joe
It was meant to build on your point, not deflect. You were lamenting about how people have to hold their noses and vote for Biden because the only other viable choice is worse. I was pointing out that there are opportunities to vote for who you “really” want, just not necessarily in the presidential election itself.
The Democrats will likely still run Biden because of the incumbency thing, but it’s at least an opportunity to vote your conscience and nudge the party itself in a better direction.
Oh yeah, I fully agree! Unfortunately, the vast majority of voters in the US are right-wing. Even our Democratic voter base is overwhelmingly pro-capitalist/neoliberal. So many people brainwashed into voting against their interests. It’s genuinely tragic.
And according to this thread letting literal fascists take over is the best solution. But yeah, it is the folks voting against cult45 that are voting against their best interests, sure dude.
I’m sure it doesn’t matter to the people being deported and detained in those concentration camps, nor to the Palestinians being murdered by a genocidal state.
Ted Bundy was extremely polite, by all accounts, but no matter how many good acts you commit, if you’re committing atrocities on the side, you’re still a villain – and when the choice is perpetually between a far-right party (Democrats) and full-blown fascists (Republicans), how long before we admit that we have an absolute dogshit system, and that we need to replace it?
And there is that good ol’ pure bull shit we all knew was going to pop up from those actually wanting cult45 to take over.
paid protester hacks getting paid to yell a bunch of bullshit… actors getting paid by the Republicans…
lol no. the right won’t touch the term genocide joe because they support the genocide too
But they are fine with drumming up the naive gullible fools by posting and hollering it. Hint: cult45 doesn’t give a rats ass about Israel. They are only in it for the second coming.
Are they wrong though?
If this is all it takes to derail his campaign, well he’s done it entirely to himself here.
they’re liars… they’re full of shit… why do you care about people who are full of shit? are you also full of shit like them? maybe you like to spread shit too…
