• doingthestuff@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I have old history with Linux and am just coming back. I did my first test build for my office to get away from the dying Windows 10/avoiding 11. I went with a basic Linux Mint cinnamon build, got our network printer and core software working. Will you let me live?

    • Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      6 months ago

      Emphasis on it was. It started to go downhill with Amazon integration and now we have paid security updates. They are holding back developed and available security packages for their OS!

      There is no way to still recommend Ubuntu. No need to even talk about the other questionable decisions like snap.

      • Papercrane@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Isn’t Linux mint an Ubuntu fork? That gets recommended to tons of people who seek an entrance into the Linux world. Is it as bad as Ubuntu?

        • WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          6 months ago

          It is a fork, meaning its like ubuntu but with the bullshit that makes ubuntu bad removed. It is completly safe but if you wanna stay clear of any trace of ubuntu at all there is also a debian based version of mint

            • dukk@programming.dev
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              6 months ago

              LMDE and PopOS are my consistent recommendations to newcomers. If one doesn’t work, the other will.

              • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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                6 months ago

                I would recommend only community maintained distros at this point… seing as how RH and Canonical went to the dark side for some things, I’d rather not recommend something maintaned by a company.

      • Montagge@kbin.social
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        6 months ago

        Can someone please show me these ads for snaps? I’ve been using Ubuntu for almost 4 years and I’ve never seen an ad for anything.

        • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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          6 months ago

          They don’t really asvertise snaps in the OS per say, but they do push users to use snaps instead of .deb packages. Why? My best guess is they wanna monopozie the portable app market (Snaps, Flatpak, AppImage) and become sort of like what systemd is now - unreasonable to ask to use anything else but systemd.

          Pro features ads are right there when you do apt update or apt upgrade (can’t remember which one of these, maybe both).

          • Montagge@kbin.social
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            6 months ago

            Is it an ad or is it just letting you know about a feature you can use? I don’t personally consider that an ad.

            Unpopular opinion I prefer snaps over flatpak. At least when I update snaps I actually know how much is going to be downloaded lol

            • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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              6 months ago

              They forced Firefox’s default package into a snap recently. They did this without integrating with Gnome or common plugins like password managers. This of course broke a ton of shit out of the blue.

              Then, to get Firefox off of snap, you have to do a non zero amount of config instead of giving the users a simple option at install. If you mess that config up at all, the next Firefox update just goes back to snap.

              Forcing people’s primary application into an Canonical controlled packaging system is likely worse than an ad, honestly. It made it very clear to me that Ubuntu did not respect user choice like it used to, so i migrated off of it.

                • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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                  6 months ago

                  I bounced around to Debain and opensuse tumbleweed, but landed on pop-os. Ubuntu without snap nonsense, optional i3 tiling manager implementation, “just works.”

                  For the server side, ive moved to Debian. Nothing lost at all.

    • CatTrickery@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      It started when they started including Amazon sponsored results in the menu search really. These days using apt occasionally will install a snap package instead of a deb. It doesn’t give people a good jumping on point and it teaches that linux is more difficult than it has to be.

    • Too Lazy Didn't Name@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 months ago

      Firefox snap doesn’t work with keepassxc browser integration and smart cards randomly, so I uninstalled the default snap on ubuntu, edited configs to make sure it didnt grab snap by default, and then install the deb Firefox.

      Every single fucking time I did a distro upgrade, ubuntu uninstalled deb Firefox, rwdis the configs to automatically install snap Firefox, and then reinstalled snap Firefox.

      One of the reasons I left windows was because it kept changing my default browser. How is ubuntu any better?

      I started my linux journey on ubuntu 11.10. I have some real nostalgia and loyalty to that platform, but I recently gave up on it and switched to fedora because of its relentless self-promotion is snap. I feel like you’d be doing a disservice to recommend it as a gateway into Linux to someone nowadays.

      • nul9o9@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Oooooh, that’d really rub me the wrong way. My wife is still on a Windows PC. She’ll ask my why certain changes she made get reverted, and my default answer is “Microsoft thinks it knows better than you”.

        • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
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          6 months ago

          Canonical has a long history of thinking it knows better than you, but funneling everyone into their closed-source walled-garden our-way-or-the-highway gonna-charge-money-the-moment-we-figure-out-the-legality Snap Store sure if the most Microsofty.

  • Pat_Riot@lemmy.today
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    6 months ago

    Beginner here, what is so bad about Ubuntu? I put it on a laptop this weekend and was running and installing software faster than any Windows install I have ever done. Firefox runs fine, the Mozilla email program hooked right up with my ancient Yahoo account. Blender runs like a scalded dog. Cura and prusa run good enough. I’m arguing with Muse and Ardour a bit but expected that. Spotify runs. I’m having a good first experience. So why the hate?

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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      6 months ago

      They push their own things on it, like Snaps, which is not an open source standard. Plus they are a subscription based distro now, like RHEL.

      You can get the same with a lot less bloat with LMDE. Try it, I’m sure you’ll like it.