It is very important for us to “NOT” support any films, shows, games, and whatever form of art and entertainment that tries to use AI to replace human creators.
Greed is going to tear apart every part of society unless we stop it.
What if I make my own videos with actors and/or voices are entirely imaginary? I don’t have the resources to hire a videographer let alone an actor but I can write a script and use AI (and program/script things).
If I make something cool it’d be sad if no one watched it just because it didn’t use real human actors and voices.
As long as you don’t clone someone’s voice without permission, then you didn’t replace any actors imo. There’s a big difference between an indie production using this tech to reach higher than they could otherwise and Disney just not wanting to pay wages.
If it’s something for profit by some massive multi billion dollar company, definitely. That’s just pure greed. But some tiny indie game dev or YouTuber using ai voiceovers is quite a bit more acceptable imo.
Agreed. Butterbee’s explanation in this thread is much better than my word.
Lets let Bruce willis’ family or val kilmer decide for themselves whether they can work a deal that lets us see their acting or likeness again and they get proper compensation. I’m not going to boycott a production with proper paperwork in place just because they use AI to make fremen eyes blue in a programmatic fashion.
Have fun boycotting anything that uses spell checker or offers translations and subtitles. There won’t be much left in a while.
No one is talking about translation and subtitles.
I am very aware of machine translation, probably more than most people in here. In fact, machine translation started much earlier than this AI craze…like they started massively using machine translation for a decade already. That’s why some of the Netflix translation to foreign language is so shit.
The thing is no one is outraged about machine translation because it is not a primary creative process. This is very different from acting, voice acting, illustration, creative writing, etc. that people care about.
Article seems to miss the point, it’s not that some celebs are unhappy like Attenborough and others are fine with it and participating in its development. It’s that some celebs are in control of how they are being used and represented and some are not. We are entering a period where we all need stronger legal protections, to ensure that we remain in control of what makes each of us unique, whether that’s DNA or a copy of our voice
DNA is highly likely to be unique, not guaranteed to be so.
This is a terrible idea. No one owns DNA or genes, and we already have problems with shitty company’s trying to patent or copyright genes we all already have. It’s bullshit that only benefits those at the top, and prevents others from getting there by restricting their rights.
Voices are the same. You can’t complain about an impressionist imitating you because you don’t like it, that childish nonsense. Everything we do is in some way a copy and recreation of what other people have done. AI just automated that process and people are upset it’s harder to rent seek and gate keep things that never belonged to them in the first place.
Seriously, the future you’re imagining has twins sueing each other for rights to their unique “identity”. It’s dumb as hell.
Sorry man but control over your own image, voice etc is not dumb, why should giant corporations be allowed to replicate and use it to make money without your consent. The fact that it can be so easily automated now just makes it worse. I’m not talking about copyright though just control and privacy. With regards to DNA I’m saying the exact opposite and there we probably agree, companies should absolutely not be able to patent or copyright genes. They shouldn’t be able to use them at all without explicit consent.
why should giant corporations be allowed to replicate and use it to make money without your consent
Because it wasn’t yours to begin with
Biometrics belong more to humanity than any individual person
Your argument would make it so even facial recognition would be illegal, because they scan and use your facial info without consent
Same with drivers license databases
You can’t say “this particular use of this existing practice bothers me, everyone else needs to change now so I feel better”
Rules on these things need to be consistent, and if they shouldn’t be allowed to use unique information that you consider yours without your consent you’ve just eliminated advertising, security checkpoints, drivers license pictures, filming cops, and a million other things both good and bad that all rely on using your likeness without your consent.
On that we completely disagree, I would argue they are some of the only things that are intrinsically yours.
I see this as a good thing nature docs wouldn’t be as good without his voice and I’m sure AI could be trained to give a very similar set of opinions.
Yeah it’s a bit morbid and he should definitely get paid for it.
he should definitely get paid for it.
Playing devil’s advocate a little bit here - are you saying a person’s voice is or should be copyrightable? Because it wouldn’t be his voice, it’s an imitation of his voice, it’s an impression.
I’m just not sure this is an area that copyright law needs to be extended in to. I can see a requirement to disclose that it’s AI generated being a good idea, but the idea that the likeness of somebody’s voice is proprietary I think opens up a much worse can of worms.
I’d imagine the situation is more dire to those filmmakers and journalists that do narration as a job
Why would you need them if you can just use the voice of an AI impersonating famous speakers like this
Maybe a cynical outlook, but ‘AI’ becoming such a big deal is only going to serve as a means to take out the human element. Why have a person narrate or write your nature show when you can have ‘AI’ mimic a known quantity.
I dont see how its a bad thing. Its basically multiplicating the amount of better narrators in that example.
Why having a shitty narrating voice when you can have an awarded one?
The only thing is the compensation to the originator and the labelling of whats real and generated.
But thats a minor issue IMO.
It’s a bad thing because Attenborough’s vioce isn’t just his voice. He’s not lauded because of his vocal prowess - it’s because of his knowledge of the subject and the fact that if he says something - even read from a script - his professional reputation means that he would question material that doesn’t pass his sniff test.
Whatever people say - it is this reputation that people are exploiting, not his vowel sounds.
Whether or not you want someone to use your likeness isn’t necessarily just a matter of money. You can’t just wave dollar bills at any objection and assume everything’s going to be okay. Some things are more important than a few bucks.
Sure. I fully agree with you.
But nonetheless its how technology works. Make something accessible to everyone (at least in digital technology)
Lets compare it to how davinci would have though about the possibility of photocopying the mona lisa and bring the art into every household.
Making him more fameous more than he could ever be by simply having one original picture in the louvre.
I think this example can be done with any abritrary skill and digital modelling.
Lets think ahead. A tennis player and his movements are used to train and create a robot which acts as a tennis teacher for tennis amateurs. It would also benefit the sport in general.
I mean, in the instance of legal use of a likeness outside of maybe some fair use cases, the technology doesn’t necessarily dictate that its own use is legitimate in all use cases. Some people independently training a model for private use may be harder or impossible to do anything about, but there’s definitely precedent for going after someone for profiting from your likeness without your consent.
There may be some grounds where the sort of fair use that parody enjoys could apply to AI or the use of AI-derived likenesses, but I wouldn’t expect people’s rights to their own likeness to evaporate overnight unless copyright goes with them in some broader sense.
The current controversy within SAG over whether to sign even a deal on a per-project basis for scanning actors seems like a pretty good indicator that the standards on this are far from ironed out.
When it comes to training models, I do think it’s unrealistic to limit the use of materials that are readily and legitimately available on the internet for free. But straight up using AI to copy a likeness for profit is very different.
Hmm. I think the discussion turning around copyright and fair use is somehow the bedrock of this.
You are right. Since we cannot even find a solution to work for nowadays breaches of copyright, it will probably be still problematic in future cases as well.
But I also see the chance to get rid of something on the way.
As we know what does not work, like copyright law execution and the uphill battle of forcing it, we can truly think outside the box.
i do not want to take sides on certain technologies for now as I never truly looked into such special case, but I could think of some kind of ownership verificatiom mechanism probably backed by cryptocurrency even nfts.
I do not expect for people to pay in full compensation for skills (capitalism shows us on youtube how some ecosystem is formed) but I am confident that the market will nonetheless finds some solution. We will get more of everything, this means trash, and this means copythefted content as well but summing up the content will be better, and skill will find a way to sustain and be unique on its own.
Anyway I am drifting off. I see many similarities in piracy discussions here in certain comminities. Because if it can be done, it will be done, and I see no choice but making the best out of it during the way.
