I have drawn myself as a chad and you as an ugly wojack so my position is clearly the correct one.
Windows users hate this one neat trick.
Did you read the words on the picture, too?
I feel like I’m going to get flak for taking a position that’s not completely anti-Windows, but please try to hear me out before casting judgment. I use both OS and think they both have merit. Linux- for the reasons listed in the meme, and windows- for those without the technical know-how, patience, or time for the better alternative.
That being said, if anyone thinks like how this Ed, Edd, N’ Eddy looking mofo in the meme does I’ll be the first to say that’s a horribly bad take lol
Of course it is. There’s 0 reason to come after anyone for choosing Linux as any, if at all, of the extra effort incurred is only going to affect them personally.
Edit: Not even a single flak in the comments, the happiest I’ve ever been to stand corrected. We’ve done it, world peace achieved.
I think the problem is preinstalls. No one was born understanding how Windows works, we had gathered that experience over time. If the computer you were introduced to was a Linux system (with X11 and KDE or GNOME), then that would be what you would get used to. Unfortunately, getting Linux preinstalls on laptops is basically impossible. Vendors love that preinstall money.
Companies that sell “enterprisy” laptops (like Dell and Lenovo) usually sell a few models with Linux. And while not a laptop I wouldn’t be surprised if almost half of Desktop Linux users today have a Steam Deck.
I would be one of them 👋 I’ve used Windows up until I got my SteamDeck, & it works perfectly for my mostly light browsing needs, when I’m not gaming on it.
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I think that would not change the opinion much among the existing desktop userbase. That being said the younger generations are not by nature desktop users the way Gen-xers and millennials were. I think getting GNU/Linux as the default desktop for educational settings I think will have. Thankfully there is some traction being made on this front, particularly in places like France, Brazil & Argentina. Then again I guess it’s not an either or, as having more vendors with preloaded Educational focused distributions & support would make such adoption more likely to successfully launch in such settings.
That’s very true! I would’ve loved this option in my formative years back before developing all the bad habits lol
I must forget everything I know about computing. 🥋
I read your name as stoned morman
I find this both humourous and troubling D:
I use both. I’ve tried using Linux on desktop and there’s always been a few handfuls of minor but annoying enough issues that make just want to go back to windows on my main computer. For my laptop that I don’t use often, Linux is fine. For hosting services on my local network, Linux is fine. Neither are prefect but Linux definitely has come a long ways.
How fucking DARE you. People should be forced to learn how to compile their OS, like Gentoo allows, and then have it crash and burn in front of everybody in social studies when you have to present your LibreOffice presentation about why Teddy Roosevelt was objectively the best president and spent a lot of time on making a slide with Abe the soyjack and Teddy the chad.
/s in case somebody needs it
That reminds of the time a teacher asked to borrow my computer running arch to display a spreadsheet on the projector using hdmi. I couldn’t remember the xrandr command to mirror screens so I just lied and said “I don’t have a hdmi driver installed”.
For me the main issue is the time effort and the incompability with other people and my work that work with Microsoft products.
Linux is slowly getting there, it’s developers just need to drop the “git gud” and “special club status” mentality and concentrate more on user experience.
Some people clearly are! Some distros are clearly focused on getting a friendly interface for everything, and proton finally made Linux gaming possible, despite all the grumbling from “purists”
Yeah like I switched and love it and I think the gap is closing fast, but whether linux closes it or windows closes it is still up to chance. The easier Linux gets for everyday users who don’t want to learn command line the more people are going to use it. The more software that just works on Linux the more easily you’ll convince people. It’s not about getting to where your coworkers or your grandma can use it. It’s about getting your in laws to not need your help to use it after a friend recommended it
I prefer Windows because I don’t need all the extra customization and in depth features, and I don’t want to bother setting them up. Like sure I could use commands to queue up file transfers, but I would never have the need and could get 99% of the way there with a drag and drop…
It’s fine until you have to move more than a handful of files and discover it takes the better part of a day and slows your machine to a crawl.
File management under windows is really something else. Apparently there are third party tools that somewhat mitigate this.
Can’t say I’ve ever had that problem myself. Then again I never move more then, say, 20-30 GB at once.
yeah I’m forced to do such inside a Microsoft eco-system at work, and Beyond Compare was surpsingly helpful at such.
Had to copy a couple of TB to a new drive the other day.
Just selected all, and dragged them over. Then I just walked away, because even during those rare situations, it doesn’t matter how long it takes.
Only took an hour though, and Windows was still working flawlessly in the meantime. Running on +8 year old hardware even.
You sure you used Windows in the last 20 years?
I stopped reading after Windows and just wanted to tell you to educate yourself. I’d recommend Arch to any sane person.
People like you are the reason for the bad reputation of linux.
If you see someone making a bold statement and then referring to Arch Linux, it’s probably a joke
With the people in here you can’t be sure sadly.
Yeah I was making a joke when I said I was making a joke. Actually I am serious.
JFC that joke went over my head like a B-2. Whoops 🤦
Edit: I deserve that downvote lol
Brother, we’re on the same team. There’s a Debian distro on nearly all of my computers. I was just trying to add a bit of nuance to the conversation and bridge the divide. We don’t have to be enemies.Edit: I’ve been had. Bamboozled, even.
Linux isn’t an OS. It’s just a kernel, which doesn’t do much like it self. GNU is an OS and Linux is one of its kernels.
Yeah thanks sherlock… But it’s quite a common simplification and understood by almost anyone.
Edit: I’m sorry – after reading my comment again– that came across quite a bit harsher than it was meant.
I’d argue it was appropriately harsh. God am I tired of seeing “but muh GNU” every time someone calls Linux “Linux.”
Ok Richard
Don’t stall, man
put some respect in your voice when you speak of our lord and savior ;-)
Did you seriously just post a GNU/Linux interjection unironically?
yes…why would that be unexpected, particularly on our free and federated network?
Is it finally the year of the GNU desktop?
Considering that Hurd is still not finished what other kernel does GNU use other than Linux?
HURD is the default GNU kernel. From what I here there are also GNU systems running on BSD’d stuff, and I suspect they’re are many GNU systems running with Kernels users have created themes, whether for very specific use cases or just for fun. I recall following someone’s blog an Diaspora* about the latter a year ago until she got bored with it.
He says, while using a command that brings a little convenience at the price of control and security…
I love yes it is an amazing tool. I never had an actual use for it since any tool I might want to use it on (like apt) already has some kind of command line switch for it already
But I just once in a while stumble across yes again and run it for half a minute and have a chuckle.
Just like every time I read: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html
Aw man that thing was so useful during University. The assignment submission tool required saying yes a million times as it explain how the whole thing worked for every submission.
Piping
yesinto it was so much faster.
If Homer had known about the “yes” command the drinking bird would’ve been out of work.
Terminal has plenty of convenience benefits over GUI as well. For example you can queue up long-running commands to go one after the other, something I didn’t realise how useful it was until I was using Linux full time.
I use this one all the time for archiving stuff and moving it from my PC to my file server. Tar archive a folder, generate a checksum, move the new files over to the server, and then delete the original folder:
tar -cvf folder.tar folder && cat folder.tar | sha256sum > folder.tar.sha256 && mv folder.tar folder.tar.sha256 /path/to/remote/file/server/ && rm -rf folder
The && part stops execution if there is any error so the folder is only deleted once everything else is done without issues.
Can’t do that with a GUI. Just make sure to proofread before you press enter.
Powershell, released in 2006: Am I a fucking joke to you?
Linux users: Ehhhh, kinda?
Wsl is proof powershell is a joke
Sha256 doesn’t protect your files when bits flip and they are corrupted. If you want that, add a par2 checksum.
Good advice. Thank you!
A bit of convenience. Right, and a liiiiiittle bit of time as well
Just a little… Turns into a few hours or a whole day sometimes, not that I hate it though.
and that can be about what you enjoy. I like making my computer so shit. Others like fixing engines or playing video games, they’re all different ways to scratch that same itch.
And technical expertise, and the ability to use a computer without accessibility aids, and the notion of what a “format” is so that they can open their kids’ halloween homework assignment without the formatting being completely broken, and the ability to solve computer problems on their own without calling Geek Squad or visiting a Genius Bar…
I was unaware of convenience being made up of anything in addition to time-preference.
it’s more convenient for me to put a frozen ready meal in the oven for 30 minutes than it is for me to make dinner, even though the act of making dinner might take less than 30 minutes
but isn’t that just based on the time preference of whatever you are giving up during the time you have to actually think about & make dinner when you otherwise would be whilst “cooking” food someone else made.
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“Shit, what did I fuck up?”
Yes, do as I say
Damn it, you beat me to it. A wise linux user you are.
Beat me to it.
The price of convenience is always high.
Sometimes it is justified, sometimes it is not.
However, trading basic privacy protections for “but it’s so easy” is how the dark times happen.
First they came for privacy
But it was so easy to use.
The price of convenience is always high.
Why? I do things that are inconvenient all the time. It’s inconvenient that I have to go to work 5 times a week in order to make money. It’s inconvenient that I have to get vaccinated so that my immune system is stronger. It’s inconvenient to have to meditate for 20 minutes a day to make my thoughts less scattered. And so on.
They are not arguing that everything is convenient.
yes linux is definitely only “slightly” more convenient than windows, and also definitely more reliable
in unrelated news i’m now into my 5th hour trying to get 2077 to run without freezing, and my system has only hard-crashed about 3 times during the process
Ngl… if it wasn’t reliable, it wouldn’t be the industry lead
it might be reliable for running a mainframe, but running a mainframe isn’t really what i want to do in my free time
But then again, is it Linux’ fault that publishers refuse to make Linux versions of their games, requiring the users to use hacks to make windows executables work on Linux ?
No. There wasn’t a market and games aren’t free to make
And that’s fine :)
Just don’t try to kill it deliberately
I don’t really care whose fault it is I just want to play my blideo blames
Agreed!
Adults who play solitary video games or multiplayer video games with people they dont know as anything more than a once a week thing are man babies.
Ive played games once in about the last month. I really enjoyed it.
My laptop ia mostly a writing machine. I also browse the internet and watch movies - which is a social activity with my husband.
Good for you buddy.
Let people enjoy whatever they damn please.
Btw, you don’t have to specify that you browse the internet. Everyone here does that and pretty much everyone with internet access in the world.
Im forcing you to be a man and stop playing video games.
No, I will be a real man and do whatever the fuck I want.
im only 6
Ah yes, linux supremacy
If windows 12 is a subscription like the rumors say, it might finally push me to Linux. Right now I haven’t moved over just cause there hasn’t been a particularly annoying thing to do it yet
Me also. I’m a developer they plays videogames. If the games I want to play ran on Linux, I would daily drive Linux.
My job is C# focused, so my work machine is windows, but I could quite easily run Linux is I didn’t have to work on .net Framework projects.
Linux needs more having adoption… But it’s a chicken and egg problem
yes \Pretty much the reason to use Lemmy, Kbin or any other Fediverse based system.
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At this point trying to get around Windows would be inconvenient. The only “convenience” you’re sacrificing is that you’re probably been trained from kid to use Windows, and many things just work different on Linux.
reliability
Why did you quote this one specifically? I only recently shut down a CentOS 5 system that ran for 3300 days.
Linux is very reliable when used continuously in a static environment (eg. a server). I mean, 3300 days is like what, 9 years? (!!)
But as a desktop… let’s just say yesterday my friend brought their PC to my house and spent an hour and a half debugging a graphics card issue (yes, it was Nvidia) before we could play Distance (great game btw, highly recommend).
let’s just say yesterday my friend brought their PC to my house and spent an hour and a half debugging a graphics card issue (yes, it was Nvidia) before we could play Distance
Oh please, you say this as though no one has ever spent literal days debugging Windows quirks and issues. Windows updates especially have nuked many systems.
I haven’t had windows refuse to turn on after a update yet, but linux broke after a update. Probably wouldn’t have happened with a different distro, but can happen in both camps.
but can happen in both camps
That was my point.
I’m sure if you’re doing advanced things in Windows then you can mess it up fairly badly, but in my personal experience, it’s never happened to me except in the laptop I had that literally fell apart.
I’m sure if you’re doing advanced things in Windows then you can mess it up fairly badly
I’ve helped so many people fix their Windows systems who barely know how to open their email. Computers are complex. No system is perfect (Windows less so IMO).
