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          Deterrents are not absolute. Also, I don’t know how you’re not aware of this, but it was Ukraine’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia. That doesn’t sound like an alliance preventing war, does it… As I said - deterrents are not absolute. They never are. Police and prison (allegedly) deter crime, for instance.

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            it was Ukraine’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia

            Boggles me how some people actually think this. Finland’s announcement they’d be joining NATO that provoked Russia into a second war, right? No wait

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              Yeah, it’s a stupid fucking reason but it’s the one Putin gave. It was a convenient excuse for his imperialist ambitions.

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                Eh? What putin says is irrelevant to reality, please stop using him as a source. If you’re about to tell me joining NATO is a reason for wars to break out please make sure it’s real first lmao.

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                  So you’re gonna tell me it’s about the Nazis in Ukraine and you think he’s just going there to liberate them? Yeah right.

                  EDIT: FFS you got me distracted again. Just like you wanted, I forgot my initial point was just that deterrents aren’t absolute, and alliances do not necessarily deter war - and this is just one example.

                  Whether Ukraine joining NATO was the actual reason the war broke out, them planning to join NATO didn’t STOP the war, did it?

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                    Again with using putin as a source, what’s wrong with you? :D Anyway, there are some geopolitical analysts you could be interested who have way more credible takes on the issue than you, me or honestly putin. Personally I’m an unapologetic Zeihanist but Fukuyama is another author with great analysis on reality.