“Zelenskyy was fighting a much bigger entity, much bigger, much more powerful,” Trump said. “He shouldn’t have done that, because we could have made a deal.”

Summary

In a Fox News interview, Donald Trump argued that Ukraine should not have resisted Russia’s 2022 invasion, claiming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should have made a deal with Vladimir Putin.

Trump criticized Zelenskyy for choosing to fight, compared the military strength of Russia and Ukraine, and said he could have ended the war quickly through negotiations.

Trump’s stance contrasts with Joe Biden’s strong support for Ukraine, including aid and sanctions on Russia.

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
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        11 days ago

        And freaking why? When people are still struggling with basic shit like food insecurity in the borders we already have.

        I know I’m asking this rhetorically and it’s all ridiculous it’s just…why???

        • Jack@slrpnk.netEnglish
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          11 days ago

          The one common thread I see is trading routes and security.

          There are articles suggesting new trade routes will open in the antarctic so that maybe explains Greenland and Canada.

          As for Mexico, maybe the gulf of Mexico?

          At the same time he is trying to start a trade war. Maybe in his mind American is so unavoidable market that china for example will pay the tariffs, but as European is it easy to see the time of America market supremacy is going away fast.

          All my opinion and speculation of course.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Thanks for your insight. That at least sheds a tiny bit of logic on this insanity.

            Yeah. As a U.S person it’s unsettling watching an empire crumble around you without much way out when you wanted to just do your thing and get along in life like anybody else. * Sigh*

        • scratsearcher 🔍🔮📊🎲@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          10 days ago

          Why?

          In his mind size of territory is a measurement for the success of a civilization. And he views the U.S. as the greates civilization. He stated that in his inauguration speech. Access to the arctic circle controls trade routes, or this is what his advisors told him.

          how this might have happened speculation

          In my mind it went like this:

          1. Advisor: Mr. Trump the antarctic will be extremely strategically important.
          2. Trump: Nods
          3. Trump (in his mind): He is saying I should take over the entire Northern territory of Canada and Greenland.
          4. Advisor (in his mind): I wonder what he is thinking?
  • BeigeAgenda@lemmy.caEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Of course the convicted felon would say that Ukraine should just lie down and let Russia grab 'em by the country.

  • psmgx@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Honestly I’m more worried about the NATO 5% thing which is blatantly designed to fracture the alliance.

    The number was 2%, and many didn’t hit that. 5% is never going to happen and is going to be Trump’s cause to pull out, mark my words. Thankfully Congress put some stops in there, but doesn’t mean Trump can’t fuck things up bigly.

    Ukraine can schlump along with NATO sans USA, but no NATO and Ukraine is finished.

    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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      12 days ago

      As a Canadian, good. I’ll worry a lot less about American invasion if we have our own separate NATO with blackjack and hookers.

    • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      12 days ago

      If European countries somehow manage 5 percent, it’s Europe that should step out of NATO. At this moment I am half convinced it’s better to have a strategic alliance with China than with Trump.

  • DicJacobus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    12 days ago

    America hasn’t had to deal with the recieving end of Imperialism for almost 250 years. (its been on the giving end of it for the last century) America is in no position, not Trump, not Elon, not Biden, not the dude that just wants to grill. None of them are in a position to tell someone not to fight for freedom, when there is an actual threat of losing ones freedom and sovereignty. Most western countries have long forgotten what the struggle is all about because they’ve had their freedom for centuries.

    Ukraine’s fight has been going on for centuries, but 2022-Present has been the defining moment of that fight.

    If you aren’t going to help, shut the fuck up, and fuck off and let the rest of us handle it. Ukraine isn’t going to stop fighting for its existence just because Part of America is tired and upset about superficial things like egg prices. If America isn’t going to carry the torch of Liberty, there are plenty of others willing to take it from here.

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      12 days ago

      Europe is having its issues too. It seems like the people are mad about taxes already, and aren’t keen on the prospect on increasing them for military spending. They’ve already run huge deficits for COVID.

      Many other powers are either not interested in this particular fight or can’t afford to be.

      I hate to sound so cynical, but I think Zelensky is smart to “work with” Trump (aka manipulate him) instead of denouncing him and kicking him to the curb like his country has every right to, because the drive to fight only goes so far against a truly genocidal adversary.

  • sircac@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Why people keep listening to what that being says? Just respond to his actions, anthing else is useless…

    • IsoSpandy@lemm.eeEnglish
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      12 days ago

      That being controls almost 50% of the world’s nuclear arsenal. That’s why.

      • sircac@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        12 days ago

        So? He will do as he pleases, doesn’t he? Why even answer when he changes the name of a geographical landmark, threat with invasions or economic punishments? He is a bully, the most useless thing to attempt with a bully is trying to speak him into reason or concede him the recognition of dialogue capability, it just let him to probe the breaking point of the abuse, there should be zero tolerance to such being, and urge to back up all the dependencies with other allies asap, the alternative is submission up to nearly the breaking point of the abuse. That’s my opinion…

    • _cnt0@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      12 days ago

      Why people keep listening to what that being turd says? Just respond to his actions, anthing else is useless…

      ftfy

  • Wiz@midwest.socialEnglish
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    10 days ago

    I’m kinda getting a “if you’re getting raped just lay back and take it” vibe from this.

  • partial_accumen@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Ukraine HAD a deal with Russia ensuring its peace and its borders. It was called the Budapest Memorandum. Russia was the one violating the deal Russia had agreed to.

    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      12 days ago

      I think you’re confused that was the treaty that said NATO couldn’t come within four thousand miles of its borders and what about Biden’s Ukrainian money laundering bio-facilities?

      • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
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        12 days ago

        In case anyone is thinking of taking this troll seriously, there is no treaty that prevents NATO from expanding east. There was something like it between NATO and the USSR but Russia officially is not the successor to USSR so they have no claim to that guarantee. It’s all Russian propaganda.

          • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Okay. This is a bit more nuanced and what I gave was my opinion, as in they’re not the successor. They are the successor in some cases, but whether they’re actually the successor or not depends on which option is beneficial to Russia. When it comes to NATO Russia likes to act like it’s the successor, but when it comes to reparations for the atrocities the USSR committed that’s when Russia says they’re not actually the successor to the USSR and can’t be responsible for the atrocities committed by the USSR. I’m my eyes you can’t have it both ways and as such I’m just taking cues from the Russian playbook. Whatever guarantees were given they were given to the USSR and not Russia, especially when those guarantees were never on paper.

        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          12 days ago

          There was something like it between NATO and the USSR but Russia officially is not the successor to USSR so they have no claim to that guarantee.

          Like, if you seriously believe that, you should check your reasoning skills.

          This isn’t the ship of theseus. Not everything was exchanged. USSR changed one small thing which is its name and became Russia, that does not invalidate all prior agreements.

          • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
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            11 days ago

            So why isn’t Russia taking responsibilities for the atrocities and illegal occupations done by the USSR? It’s as if it’s not just a name change.

            Also what agreement do you think gives Russia that guarantee? There’s no paper that says NATO won’t expand east.

            • Miaou@jlai.luEnglish
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              10 days ago

              Which empires actually gave reparations to former countries though? Sadly Russia doesn’t seem to do worse than the rest of the world in this area

            • ddh@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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              11 days ago

              Russia’s not taking responsibility for the atrocities and illegal occupations done by Russia.

          • Danquebec@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            12 days ago

            USSR dissolved in 1991 when its last member state, Khazakstan, left. Russia, which had left the union prior, found itself with a lot of nuclear warheads. Other ex-member states agreed to hand the nukes they had to Russia. Having nuclear weapons and having the means to maintain them and launch them, Russia naturally joined the Security Council in 1991.

      • endeavor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        12 days ago

        Youbare forgetting also the warcrimes of Umranians where they have time travel labs yhey use to travel back in time to kill baby jesus every day and internet hacking centers used to force musk do awkward gestures. Truly the axis of evil.

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
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      11 days ago

      Oh. Wow. You win.

      If that rooftop guy could hit the mark like this comment did, we wouldn’t be having to listen to his chaotic-evil nonsense right now.

  • iowagneiss@midwest.socialEnglish
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    10 days ago

    Well yeah, and now he’s taking this move from Putin’s playbook for Greenland. He’s at the “people in Greenland would rather be US citizens” stage. Putin did the same thing in the beginning when talking about the territories in Ukraine he wanted to take.

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Ugh. I guess it’s starting. Anyone placing bets on how long before Trump does a complete about-face on the situation and starts running joint missions with Russia against Ukraine? I’m morbidly suspicious that might really be how things end up.

    • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      12 days ago

      This isn’t exactly a secret. Remember in the debate when he said he’d end the war, and refused to say which side he’d be on?