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Why do people still use reddit? why do people still use twitter? why are people using bluesky thinking it’ll be different??
Blue sky is different. No elon
Until some other fuckwit buys it out (my pessimism says they’ll never get around to making it truly federated).
Most social media has no Elon.
And while we’re at it, why the fuck is the water wet?
It’s the network effect. It’s always the network effect.
Your current platform enshittified. Where do you go? Well, the majority of people are going to Bluesky, and it’s familiar in terms of UI, so you go there. Sure, you could convince someone like that to try something like Mastodon, but Mastodon is comparably much smaller than Bluesky, so its intrinsic value to people is substantially lower, not to mention the fact that without an algorithm, most of these users have no clue how to curate a feed, since every platform has an algorithm now. A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.
The same goes for Reddit vs. Lemmy. Reddit has much more users than Lemmy, more niche communities, higher engagement, etc. Why move somewhere that’s identical in function if it’s smaller? Your current platform works well enough.
I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms. Reddit not letting people publish a person’s manifesto isn’t gonna convince many people to abandon their entire accounts and communities and to switch to Lemmy.
It literally took Twitter being rebranded into oblivion, and turned into an explicit safe haven for fascists and far-right freaks, with an algorithm deboosting non paid-for content multiple times over before people really started flocking out in large numbers.
A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.
Drag can confirm, drag has never used a social media without algorithms. Unless talking through two cans and a string counts.
One issue with alternative smaller platforms can also be them becoming cesspools of users banned from the big platform. The first couple of Reddit alternatives quickly collected the racists and jailbait porn.
A viable alternative platform needs more than extremist niches.
Too true. The first lemmy instance I signed up for shut itself down without warning within a week of me signing up because they’d accidentally federated with a CP instance and their country’s government could have ended up putting the instance’s owner in jail for it.
I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms.
People use the Internet without an adblocker
Compare also: the people who bitch about McDonald’s, Walmart, Amazon, or similar, yet still spend money there. In many cases (not all), there’s an option to spend elsewhere, yet folks still vote with their wallet to pay into the system that f***s them.
Capitalists don’t care about our gripes. The only language they know is profit and money
To be fair, a lot of that is due to significant, meaningful pressures that prevent them from actually shopping anywhere else. Corporations that provide things with much more inelastic demand (food, home goods, etc) are harder to escape from than social media sites that nobody actually needs to, for instance, stay alive.
For instance, Amazon’s “most favored nation” policy means that you’re literally not allowed to sell your product anywhere else for cheaper. Amazon becomes the only place where products have the lowest possible price you could afford.
If you need to buy a given product, whether it be groceries from Amazon Fresh, or diapers for your baby, Amazon will give you the lowest price (by effectively just causing all other prices to go up), and if, like many Americans, you live paycheck to paycheck, you can’t exactly afford to switch stores.
That isn’t true across the board of course, but it’s definitely a bit different from social media.
Coming to Lemmy means losing some of the really well supported niche communities from Reddit of old and that was the biggest hit of leaving, but the site being such cancer now I wonder how well they are doing anyway.
Lemmy, once you’ve blocked 90% of the weird tankies, really does feel like Reddit from 10+ years ago in the comments. It’s just a shame due to its current small size how single minded the general feed often feels. Hopefully that improves
It doesn’t have anywhere near enough of the weird transformation porn I like to be Reddit from 10 years ago
Be the change you want to see in the world! 😉
I’ve been around the internet basically since the internet and still learning new things every day…
Wtf is that lol
I’m curious, what do you mean when you say “tankie”? It’s a word that’s used to mean so many different things these days
Who the fuck is Brian Johnson?
Who the fuck
iswas Brian Johnson?Was he Thunderstruck?
Lead singer of AC/DC
And before everyone starts dunking on LW, a mod has said that the manifesto would be allowed
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
I get where you are coming from but 1 mod saying it may be okay for them isn’t that reassuring
Someone should try and see.
Worst case that’s another post on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and more people leaving .world for another instance
Yeah but fuck .World
I’m definitely not the biggest fan of the current overcentralization of users and communities on LW, but it’s still important to show what their stance is.
“we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines”
There’s another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.
Hidden Donuts, why are you hiding?
I am? Or am I missing a joke here? Wouldn’t be the first time
In Linux, putting a “.” before a file/folder name hides it. ;)
Ah shit my cover is blown, never used Linux
./Ha_ha
There’s no hiding it. They can tell by your socks.
On Lemmy. Never used Linux. Your story doesn’t add up!
I’ve only used Linux when I used Retropie, does that count?
There’s dozens of us, DOZENS
Hidden files on Linux start with a period.
Lemmy has to be one of the very few places on the internet where a Linux based joke isn’t considered obscure.
We will tolerate these beatings because we are still in love with the assaulter.
No, actually because they’re hoping the assaulter will pass the bat once they get tired
Trickle down batonomics
Oof… Yeah I mean… yeah. That’s a pretty apt description of how the world is where it is now.
You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.
Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.
shithole 1 or shithole 2.
What if we made a new shithole?
Discord I can see but someone who isn’t on twitter in 2024 would look for an alternative to Reddit there…? I don’t see the logic.
I’ve thought about it as some of my niche interests have dried up on Reddit and apparently only live on Twitter now.
And maybe Discord. It’s hard to tell because it’s closed, but I see hints of discussion spilling out into GH issues or whatever.
I despise both for different reasons, but where else am OlI gonna go if I actually want to talk with the community?
Blue Sky, mastodon, lemmy, maybe threads. Hell, HN if they’re programmers.
I don’t like threads but I’d say it’s more likely than shitter
I still use Twitter. It has a pretty awesome metal community. People I’ve shared music with for many years now.
Anyone with integrity left reddit on July 1st, 2023
Didn’t lemmy.World admins also have an issue pinned earlier?
Yeah we’re not allowed to discuss jury nullification.
Not true - we’re just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.
Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.
Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.
I think this is going to cause de-federation.
A legal part of the justice system cannot be discussed?
!lemmyworld
We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
You can for past crimes, not future crimes.
The whole statement: https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld
About the manifesto
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763
On the other hand, there is !AskUSA@discuss.online that got created recently. This thread can interest you, it talks about jury nullification: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877
Not an American and we don’t have jury system here.
What’s jury nullification and any notable cases where it was applied?
To determine whether or not an accused individual is guilty there are two primary options in the USA. A trial before a judge who makes the decision, or a trial by a “jury of your peers” where the whole jury must agree that the individual is guilty. A jury of one’s peers means that the people selected to hear the case are selected from the general populace and have no substantial connection to the accused. For example, you wouldn’t put the person’s mother on the jury. The jurors are not required to be lawyers or experts in any field. Just average people.
If you just wanted some people to take the facts of the case and the facts of the law and determine whether or not the accused was guilty, then you would want experts and lawyers on the jury. That’s how trials used to be hundreds of years ago. A judge, often appointed by a king, would pass sentence over the peons brought before him. Since our legal system has average everyday people as jurors, clearly they are supposed to do more than that.
This is where jury nullification comes in. The jurors not only judge based on the facts of the case, but also on whether or not the law in question is just. If an individual is accused of a crime, and is clearly in violation of the law, the juror can still find them not guilty if the law in question is unjust. In essence, the jurors nullify the law by refusing to convict. For example, during the prohibition era, it was not unheard of for juries to return not guilty verdicts for people accused of selling or transporting alcohol. The jurors thought the laws was wrong so they refused to convict. A much more tragic example was in the deep south where jurors would sometime refuse to convict people of lynching black people.
They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.
But they won’t, because they’re cowards.
So can I post something that’s NOT Mangione’s manifesto and just change a word or two?
“To Nintendo, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect the legacy of what you’ve built. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary research, basic plumbing know-how, and a lot of patience. The notebook, if recovered, has some scattered notes and plans that outline the gist of it. My toolkit is pretty locked down because I’ve spent years perfecting my craft in fixing leaks and navigating pipes, so there’s likely not much info there. I do apologize for any disruption or shock caused by my actions, but it had to be done. Frankly, these corporate overlords simply had it coming.
A reminder: Nintendo has long been a giant in the gaming industry, but for decades, the reality is that they’ve leveraged their power against not only creators but their own loyal fans. The restrictive policies, the aggressive legal tactics, the artificial scarcity—all these tactics are designed to extract immense profits while stifling innovation and community-driven creativity. It has grown and grown, but as the freedom for creators? No, the reality is, this company has simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to exploit their position because fans and consumers have allowed them to get away with it.
Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have highlighted Nintendo’s tactics—shutting down fan projects, ceasing the production of beloved games without explanation—decades ago, and yet the problems persist. This is no longer an issue of awareness; it is a question of unchecked power. Evidently, I am the first to challenge it with such brutal honesty.”
… Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the most expensive air travel system in the world, yet we rank poorly in customer satisfaction and on-time performance. United is one of the largest airlines in the US, behind only American and Delta in fleet size. It has grown and grown, …
What a timeline to live in
What a time to be alive!
It’s reddit. You can do anything you want as long as you love the taste of boot.
What a dookie instance. Can’t believe I spent over a decade in that corporate zoo
It wasn’t always like that. The real shitshow only started when Huffman took over.
I mean, it didn’t start as one, but it morphed into one over time. Early Reddit was pretty great.
Yeah I wasn’t aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren’t entirely aware either.
We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.
platform enshittification
It was called Eternal September back from Usenet days when the Internet was mainly an academic thing and every September old users braced for an influx of freshmen starting new academic year and getting access to newsgroups. I was aware shit was reddit’s final form even back in 2006. I’m actually surprised the shareholders left it unmolested for so long.
That wasn’t enshittification, just an influx of inexperienced users. Once the corporations got involved, that’s when enshittification truly began.
When the students came in and got on Usenet, that was just regular September. Eternal September when AOL or CompuServe, or one of those added Usenet. It was like the kids never had to leave at the end of the academic year.
Except for all the child abuse of course
It should’ve been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not even allowing neutral reporting on Luigi’s own words is a bit too establishment even for them
You mean that the company whose CEO caused a diaspora of users with his profit-seeking behavior may be siding with CEOs and not with the CEO killer?
Wouldn’t want the LLM’s trained on reddit to be too sympathetic towards the people and antagonic against authority.
It’d be a real shame if spez got Luigied…
I don’t want him to die, I just want him and all his financial supporters to be destitute and penniless.
…in a video game.
by Luigi
This revolution needs to get real French, real fast…
If this isn’t the spark, considering the momentum it has, nothing will ever “get French” for them.
The majority of people have been voting for pure privatization of healthcare, any “uprising” in the shithole USA over this would be minor.
For a supposedly gun infested and ultra violent country, there is an eerie calm lasting for decades.
Most probably this was a one time thing?
I feel it’s more like ‘nothing ever happens until it does’ statement that I read about. Basically there is a lot of build up that seems like nothing is happening. Then it reaches critical mass and things change. Think the US civil war. The US wasn’t going to free slaves. There was more uprisings and events, like John Brown and Nat Turner, and nothing was going to change. Until it did.
Am I reading Europeans goading my country into class warfare?
You know that one ended with the reign of terror followed by the crowining of a monarch that then embroiled the entire European continent in war, right?
You know it ended millenniums of monarchy and bought in democracy?
Some people are willing to make risks to see change and improvements. The others are called conservatives.
I think it was a good thing in the long run, I’d just like people to temper their bloodlust a bit, lest we fail to learn any lessons from the past. It’s easy to let righteous indignation morph into something distinct but just as shitty as the thing it replaced.
You replied to an accelerationist. Don’t threaten them with a good time. lol …or try to teach them; they’re likely a reactionary, too
The beauty of the civil rights movement was that on the one side you had the peaceful protests, the disobedience pointing at the other side where activists wanting the same thing and more weren’t so peaceful. The peaceful protesters were the compromise. The alternative was a black revolution, the black panthers, Malcom X etc.
Even those who don’t want a full French Revolution right now should at least push for peaceful protest. We need this “or else” approach. We shouldn’t let it go to waste.
Speaking of which, anyone have a copy of it they can post?
Thank you!
Is there any reliable source for this? I’ve heard there’s a fake one floating around, not sure if one is confirmed.
And this doesn’t say a whole lot.
This is who posted it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein
I’d say you can trust the source here.
Where did he obtain the copy from? This article doesn’t provide any source info to follow up on.
He is known for doing this stuff, as per the FOIA section of the wiki. He also leaked Luigi’s CV: https://substack.com/home/post/p-152869227 Journalists have the right to protect sources.
Ken is harkening back to the old old school of journalistic credibility - “trust me that I’ve checked it out, and it met my standards of credibility and verification, but I won’t burn my source by revealing them”
The rub is discerning when a journalist/institution is lying/repackaging corporate or government press releases as “reporting”. Substack is a good way to free journalists of a corrupted editor, but they can also suffer from algorithmic/audience capture that incentivizes certain reporting - ie. hugbox news.
That’s it? I guess the idea is to suppress it to hope that this goes away sooner?
I mean, yes, it technically fits the definition of manifesto, but the word that comes to mind a “blurb”.
I wonder if Ted Kaczynski or anyone else’s manifestos along anti-corporate-establishment lines are being censored. If not, maybe it’s because they’re a little less digestible. If so, then maybe some articles by Elizabeth Rosenthal.
Anywhere we can see a scan of the original? I’m very curious about the “indecipherable” bits, and it would also be very interesting to see what the handwriting looks like.
we have no choice
You are working for free moderating an obviously heavily censored shithole. You have several choices, starting with deleting your account. Fucking assholes.
Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
Which I know will never happen, but that’s what it’ll take.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
The thing any sub with big following has mods that don’t mod for free.
The narrative steering is not a free service.
Interesting, and something I never thought of.
Deleting their account does literally nothing.
bullshit excuse. Deleting their account removes them from the equation, makes a statement that they are not enablers of the corporate shithole.
Eh. Sure. But ultimately makes no difference in the matter. You can’t make a statement when you’re literally irrelevant.
Speak for yourself. Speaking up against what one perceives as wrong and distancing themselves from it is absolutely relevant. Using your logic, you might as well “not vote” because “1 vote out of millions is kind of irrelevant”.
Deleting their account doesn’t change the rules, only the person enforcing them.
It’s like Wargames. The only way to win is not to play.
i like the challenge.
Communities become ghosttown shitholes when the moderators work against good faith discourse.
Not the same day new shill mods are installed, but within a few months. It poisons everything.
Banning the creators/mods of a sub is banning the people that care most about that sub, and tends to lead to installing mods that are just looking to flex power, which makes the posts and discourse toothless, repetitive, and uninsightful, which makes regulars look for a new home, if they themselves are not banned for failing to regurgitate the only correct opinions as endorsed by the new mods tasked with bringing order.
I’m seeing a pretty obvious parallel to Luigi’s actions in your statement. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as you’re making it out to be
Spaz gonna help his ceo friends
Honestly I kinda wonder if he’s afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.
And this is the guy who said he’d be in charge and possibly owning slaves after society collapses. What an absolute clown! LMAO!
he did?
I misremembered exactly what he said, it was “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
Source is from a 2017 interview: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
iv’e seen some of his pretty shitty old posts on reddit but im not suprised.
Case in point: this was briefly on the latest r/place before it was removed.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He’s absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.
This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
I’m sure he thought to himself “I’m getting so much negative feedback and hostile attention that everyone else must be experiencing the same thing… right?”
I forgot about that! “Everyone loves us, but maybe for your safety don’t tell anyone you work here.”
I hope he pulls an Oedipus Rex and tries so hard to avoid killing his dad and fucking his mom that he accidentally kills his dad and fucks his mom.
He is only creating a Streinhand effect.
FYI, the S word is increasingly seen as a slur.
If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸
Bruh what. I’m not trying to control anything. Just offering an objective fact that you can use how you see fit.
It was just a typo of spez
Uhh…so you know language is like, a social construct, right? As people have come to realize, “spaz” was originally used to describe people with “spastic” movements from conditions like spastic paralysis or cerebral palsy, it’s fallen out of favour.
That’s all. No one is trying to control you or suppress your language. It’s just not a great word, and the language you choose reflects on your perceived character by others.
That said, I’m not here trying to police your speech, speak as you will.
Since you clearly missed it, “spaz” was just a typo of /u/spez, the CEO of reddit.
You know, the first thing I do in the morning when I wake up really should not be get on Lemmy.
He’s a spastic moron so the name fits wonderfully.
Speztic
Better than Spez… crap I said it!
There is no reason for removing content like this unless an individual is specifically inciting violence, calling for murder, etc. just like always has been the case. Ridiculous policy and frankly worthy of locking down Reddit again.
Fuck Reddit. Glad I left that shit hole.
What do you think of this one?
lol love it
huh
who would have thought that the front page of the internet could also be one of its many giant prolapsed flapping assholes ?
not just regrading to this specific issue though
conformist shitstains…
regime whoring
