Let’s face it, the dems don’t care about the commoners, the republicans are actually pure evil, everyone was happy when that shitstain CEO got shot.
Maybe we should build on this momentum we have to drive actual change at the political level.
my first act as president in 2029 would be to issue a full and unconditional pardon of the billionaire killer.
edit:
well alrighty then, followup question, does anyone want to join my newly formed political party? I’m going to start working on drafting our mission statement, or manifesto or whatever it should be called.
Further Edit: I set up a lemmy community for us to post shit about it. If you want to join, that’s our official, unofficial space. https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty
Third parties don’t and can’t work. The system is rigged for that. Better to start an anti-ceo PAC.
Should you? Why shouldnt you?
Probably doesn’t have enough money
All part of the plan init.
Because it will only spoil whichever major party is a little more closely aligned with it.
Can you elaborate please, cause USA doesn’t have a real left party at the minute, does it?
This video gives a great visual explanation of why third parties in US politics can only be spoilers. They cannot build anything.
https://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk?si=WRctK96W6GrJJO2S
America already has “real left” parties like the Peace & Freedom party and the Green party. Starting yet another tiny party to occupy the left will add nothing. And trying to grow any of these third parties can only do one thing: take votes from Democrats, thereby helping Republicans.
It’s easy to say “US doesn’t have a real left party” but most people who care about that would rather not hurt Democrats and help Republicans, because Democrats are at least closer to the left out of the two major parties, even if neither is as far left as we would like.
The only option is to join the Democratic party and attempt to shift it left. This is exactly what America’s most prominent 3 leftists have done: AOC, Dennis Kucinich, and Bernie Sanders. They know that 3rd parties are a death wish. This is an objective fact. Everyone who cares about the left needs to grow up, accept this, and move on. Just like Bernie has. You don’t see him calling for a 3rd party. And he’s clearly a “real leftist” by any measure.
Yeah, FPTP. Im British mate. I know all about it.
By real left, Im talking real terms, not relative to other parties.
I answered you, mate. These parties DO exist in the US they are just really small, and this is why.
Theyre small cause of a lack of funding and an education system and media that tells people anything left is evil.
In the UK we had Jeremy Corbyn run for PM in 2017, in spite of a character assassination that said he supported the IRA and would ruin the country (That was never backed up with any facts…), and people saying Labour just get us in debt (Again, bollocks.), he still came incredibly close to winning, much like Sanders.
Yes
Based on how the public reacted to a dead parasite there is clearly demand for the alternative to current clown regime.
The Adjuster’s hard work last week really highlighted that people are tired and ready for a change.
He has done more to galvanize the public than anyone during my life time.
It’s not going to amount to anything if he’s the only one taking action. If we’ve all just been waiting for things to get started then where is everyone now? I’ve seen tons of “I’ve got my pitchfork ready for when things get started” posts over the last few years but now that it’s supposedly here I only see the one pitchfork.
Obviously I’m not doing anything either but the question I’m getting at is, is it fair to say the public has been galvanized if it’s just one guy doing one thing while a bunch of people watch?
At least everyone can agree that we support him… So that’s a step in the right direction.
I am not sure what will come of it but shit posting in his support has to be rattling the owner class.
So there is sone benefit there too.
Bigger picture is that we need politicians to do something but they won’t
It seems they don’t care to do anything for iseven if we vote for them.
Third parties don’t work. Support progressives and progressives only in the Democratic Party. The Working Families Party is a fantastic party as well.
Yeah sure, so they can rig their primaries again.
Again, that is why we need to push for the DNC chair to be a progressive.
Heard this for 30+ years and watched the Dems just go further right. Don’t think it works bud.
Yeah, creating a third party seems a lot easier and more effective than taking over an existing party like the tea party did.
fuck the democratic party. they’ve failed us, it’s time to bury the corpse.
It would be more effective to focus on supporting a progressive candidate for the DNC chair. The prospect of establishing a viable third party is extremely challenging, given the existence of nearly 20 “progressive” third parties that have struggled to gain traction. As someone who served as the chair for the Ohio Green Party, and was a platform builder for an already defunct progressive party, I have firsthand experience with the obstacles such efforts face. I’ve learned from my mistakes. The Progressive Caucus, Justice Democrats, Working Families Party, and more are great organizations to organize with. AIPAC out-funded progressives, but now people know that AIPAC is the reason the Democratic Party is terrible, and now volunteer and donation signups for progressive orgs have raised.
I think it would be easier to convince a few people to take out more CEOs than it would be to convince all the progressives in America that the DNC is worth investing more energy in.
Unfortunately, it is the only choice we have, that or violent revolution.
I live in oregon, and I am looking to support progressive organizations more. Do you have any resources I can use to identify which organizations here are the real deal versus ones just pretending, or ones that are totally irrelevant?
Wouldn’t it be better to join a party that already has shitting on the rich as part of its mission? I mean the two big parties don’t have that, but some of the small ones do AFAIK.
that’s the thing, i can’t think of any. the communist party of america is very much just full of tankies circle jerking about how ccp and north korea actually good, the green party is all about spoiling the dems and never actually do anything, the libertarians are fundamentally opposed to my political views. the only political party i can think of would be the bull moose party, but afaik they went extinct after teddy roosevelt.
AFAIK the Greens exclusively run for president because if they get 5% of the popular vote they can get federal funding. Whether that’s a good idea overall I have no idea, but there’s at least logic to their strategy.
Looks like some conservative astroturf organization co-opted the name in 2022…
sons of bitches. I wanted that name.
Yes.
Come and join us, friend. I’m calling it the shit-back movement.
It’ll take some work and we’ll have to outline so very extremely many stances.
Is .world really the place though?
Probably not, I had one of my shit posts removed the other day.
I gotta get off .world myself.
Yes, with a caveat.
Create a single-issue party for something like free healthcare, with your sole goal to be to drain votes from Democrats. Gain enough traction, and that party will welcome you into the fold with open arms, and will actually fucking listen to your issue as their primary platform.
This is essentially what happened with ukip and Brexit in the UK. It took a while for the movement to gain traction but it did eventually start to put pressure on the government at the time.
The only issue is if that you’ll no doubt need rich backers to gain influence… But that might be a bit of an issue if your entire platform is to shit on the same people who you need.
draining republican votes is the solution.
Will they though? Biden was pitching a public option to compete with the other MFA candidates in 2020. He hasn’t uttered a single word about it since he was nominated.
No. Socialists of the past have never won any political victories by saying “rich bad,” the victory comes from presenting alternative solutions like public ownership and central planning. What you are describing is adventurism, not a genuine revolutionary movement.
I suggest you read my intro to Marxism list.
Shitting on the rich has most definitely worked in MANY situations.
Only when combined with actual practical plans in place beforehand.
Isn’t that what this is?
No. This platform is “rich bad.” It doesn’t present an alternative, it preserves existing systems that give rise to wealth disparity without tackling them and presenting an alternative.
Oops. I meant the community that OP started. It’s a place to hammer out those details on top of RICH BAD.
People have already hammered out those details, the most major arguments are on the basis of Anarchism or Marxism. OP didn’t invent anything, the answer lies in the past.
I mean the French revolution would like a word with you.
Also rich bad. It’s demonstrably true that rich people are completely disconnected from reality and will step on anyone to maintain their wealth.
It is not all of them, but it is most of them. History has always seen class warfare and this time is not different .
The French Revolution was a bourgeois revolution. It deposed the monarchy, but unlike what the Paris Commune tried to achieve, the Bourgeoisie became the new owners of the State. Proletarian Revolution needs organization and unity.
Fair.
What more powerful motivator than the common rich folk being subject to an entirely different life, government, justice system, etc?
Hopefully people wise up that class warfare never ended.
That is one useful motivator, that can be combined with Socialist and Communist theory of organization to actually successfully overthrow and replace the previous system.
I didn’t actually say socialism though, did I? I mean, I’m a socialist, but I think we have to just focus on shitting on the rich, because it’s easy and people will be able to join in.
I’m also not ruling out throwing actual shit at the rich.
If your only platform is uniting on hatred, and have no actual plans in place for improvement, you just become terrorists, rather than revolutionaries. Something being “easy” doesn’t mean it is effective. Lenin actually wrote about such a group, the Socialist Revolutionaries, in the article Revolutionary Adventurism.
Hating the Capitalists is well and good, but without a unified plan to replace them, the hate becomes the goal and nothing gets better.
Y’all need an actual left of center, worker based party to undo this late stage capitalist nightmare that’s happening now
Phew, a lot of their Democrats actually seem to think they sit left of the spectrum, and they already get called commies by their right wing. Their brains might split in two when they realize that their Democrats are merely another side of the same liberal coin…
you’re god damned right.
Until we have a voting system where 3rd parties are viable (for example. Ranked Choice Voting, Star Voting, Approval Voting, etc.), we absolutely do not benefit in any way for the existence of more parties.
Whether intentional or not, America today is a two-party system by design. If you want more choices beyond the Democrats and Republicans, you need to help us enact voting system reforms which are necessary to allow 3rd parties to exist legitimately. We aren’t joking when we say that voting 3rd party is throwing your vote away; it very much is.
Right now we don’t have a left wing party in the US. We have a right wing party, and a right wing fascist party. As much as members of the fascist party love to shit on the Democrats for being leftists, most of them aren’t actually leftist.
The fascist party calls the dems liberals, as if it describes someone who’s left of center. In the rest of the world, liberal describes someone who is right wing. It seems like the rest of the world knows better on that one.
Don’t see why shitting on rich cunts needs to be political, they are a problem and they should get what they fucking deserve Joker style, simple as that.
But if we’re making new parties anyway, one of the primary mandates should absolutely be about completely and utterly ruining the lives of anyone that makes an unnecessary amount of money or hurts others for personal gain.
we’ve been shit on too long by the ruling class, it’s time we shat back.
We need to dismantle the economic policies which were set when reagan took power. bring back the 75% tax on the wealthiest, tax the shit out of big corpos, tax the shit on inheritance taxes when it’s over a certain threshold, end for-profit healthcare and hearth insurance. And undo whatever the hell don the con is going to do when he takes office.
If you want to join, please go to the community https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty, we need to get the ball rolling so we don’t lose this momentum
It exist already. Join PSL
Pumpkin spice latte?
i would, but they appear to be tankies who support the NK government and the CCP. I’m very against those failed worker states.
If you want a new leftist political party you are going to have a hard time finding one without leftists. It is also worth questioning why it is you agree with the state on those points. What makes you think they would not lie and slander their enemies?
Do you know why they do, and can counter their reasoning? Why do you call the PRC a “failed worker state” despite 95% approval ratings? I suggest you start with theory before trying to do something new with no foundation. I made an introductory Marxist reading list, if you’d like.
Get the hell outta here.
What happened on June 5 1989 in Tiananmen square?
What kind of pivot is this? What are you trying to accomplish, here? I asked you a question, if you can’t answer that and instead respond with rudeness, then why would I ever answer what you ask?
Because I don’t deal with dumbass tankies who simp for pooh bear and his little brother Kim.
I have to agree I find PSL disappointing. In their long history they don’t seem to have put even a dog catcher into elected office.
It’s a revolutionary party, the focus is not exactly on elections
Then it’s a dumb revolution. No new human system can arise that doesn’t use remnants of the old. Observe the current revolution happening in the united states. The MAGA fuckers are putting their cronies into positions everywhere, with the clearly stated purpose of destroying our current system.
A revolution that envisions a clean start untainted by what came before is the revolution of a naive child.
Revolution doesn’t mean throwing the entirety of past society away, but changing whose hands its in.
Exactly!
Then I don’t see why you are disagreeing with @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml here.
We need a new system. Not a new party to add to the shitty system.
No shit, but how are we going to do that? What would we need to do to effect that change?
Unfortunately, the only real path out of this at this point is violent revolution. We tried everything else. For decades. Pleaded with them to listen. They arrested and murdered us. Brainwashed the average person using sophisticated psychological conditioning. Captured every branch of government and agency.
Tell me another way. I am begging you. But I’ve been looking for years and I have hit a wall. We are out of time.
They chose this.
