Summary
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and French President Emmanuel Macron held a call to discuss the potential implications of Donald Trump’s return to the U.S. presidency for Europe.
The leaders pledged to strengthen cooperation for a “more united, stronger, more sovereign Europe” in light of this possibility. Macron emphasized a commitment to European sovereignty while maintaining cooperation with the U.S. Additionally, German and French defense ministers plan to meet to coordinate on defense policies.
Trump’s ambiguous stance on Russia’s war in Ukraine and his critical view of NATO burden-sharing raise concerns in Europe about future U.S.-Europe relations.
Oh good, last time fascism rose in the west they were at each other’s throats
I mean, Trump is working for Putin… So yeah, NATO may be fucked. The US may at least pull out completely.
I’m not sure if he can do that, but considering everything that’s happened, he probably will.
I sincerely hope the European powers will overcome their internal politics and the rightward slide many of them seem to be on, and cooperate more closely for the world’s sake. I want to be hopeful for the climate and humanity.
Hopefully Canada will stick with Europe rather than the US ideologically, but with how things are going here we seem farther along on our rightward slide.
We are just as prone to right-wing propaganda here in Canada as Americans are too. I’m sure it’s much worse here in Alberta than elsewhere, but it is painfully obvious to me just how aggressive the social media propaganda machine is influencing the minds of everyone here. Yet, if I mention it, I am the crazy one who is being brainwashed… Of course.
American here.
Please embargo us. Make it clear that you will not work with a fascist state.
I want our economy to be in fucking ruins come 2026, when 20 Republican senators are up for reelection. If we take the house and a 2/3rds majority in the Senate and we can end this shit in January 2027.
But we need the anger and pain the Republicans have tapped into to fuel the fire to wipe the GOP from existence. And we need the Dems to stop playing fair. We need to go scorched-earth on these motherfuckers.
in fucking ruins
It will somehow just be “the democrats fault” or those pesky brown invaders. And will fire up the base to vote in another shitclown.
Down economies are the number one predictor of whether a political party will be voted out.
Honestly you sound like you are part of the problem with America if you would rather see your country ruined in some self-fulfilling prophecy just so that your political opponents will lose next election.
I’ll gladly lose money and comfort for a few years to protect the people I love from what Trump and his minions will to do.
Every day they’re in power is a threat.
Think of it like chemotherapy, when you have to invest poison in order to get better.
Fuck embargos, invade and liberate us. Return the favor we did for Germany 80 years ago.
There is no way in which the US will be embargod. Even under trump european nations will try to keep a mostly beneficial relation with the US due to the economic reliability and US strength in global politics. Sorry bud!
No country would be insane enough to embargo the single greatest economic power on Earth.
How can buisness be done with a power so volatile?
There will people who will become billionaires from that volatility.
And they’ll get away with it because no more SEC!
The maga idiots don’t really pose a theat to buisnesses, just regular people.
Simple. Multinational corporate interests have significant influence in the government. The elected officials may change, but people like Charles Koch are still whispering in their ears.
Capitalism.
Close Cooperation with eachother. The USA can no longer be seen as a reliable partner with its wild ideological swings and a lack of strong commitment to the cause.
Make or break for a strong European State.
From a UK perspective we’re absolutely fucked due to Brexit. USA is unreliable, detached from the EU, what’s left? BRICS? Lol.
Shit.
Ah the UK and EU are inexorably intertwined. Don’t stress too much. We’re still best buds.
BRICS? Lol.
It’d be BRICSUK then. Kinda close to Brexit. Just paint it as the next step after Brexit.
SUKBRICK sounds like a demeaning act that we brought on ourselves so lets go with that.
I love this. I will be using it as a punchline with my nerdy friends.
Everyone that voted for Cheeto Christ has willingly put their teeth to the curb, so SUKBRICK isn’t far off.
Get ready for Donnie to epically suck Putin’s cock. Fuck, I hate this country.
Nah at this point, Putin is ready to fuck Donnie in the pooper.
He’ll start buying russian natural resources at a dollar on the dime and gas prices will drop a little bit and all the dumb idiots that voted for him will drool and smile because “ooga booga feels good” while he pulls out of nato and the world marches towards WWIII
He’ll start buying russian natural resources at a dollar on the dime
How does that make any fucking sense when he wants to drill on US land? Do you guys even think about the shit you post before you post it?
Last year the US imported ~8 million barrels of oil per day from 86 countries and exported about ~10 million barrels per day to 160 countries. Why didn’t we simply net it out at 2 million and stop all imports? Setting up additional drilling infrastructure not only takes time, but it’s often far more profitable to import/export over sea. Why would we stop the profitable export of oil and prevent the profitable purchase of oil to spend time and money just moving oil across the country?
Summary:
There will be lots of winded and inspired speeches. Nothing will happen, Europe will stay divided while each country seeks advantages on its own for petty short term gains. The populists will continue to gain footholds, and to conquer lands.
The only correct answer.
I sincerely hope they’re ready to hold the world together. Americans have screwed ourselves.
One of the few things that you can rely on is the Europeans will provide no unity or leadership.
They’re not. They’re ready to screw themselves as well.
The EU needs a centralized military if it wants to survive
Maybe they need it, but that may not be happening. Over the past decade, Europe has been moving decisively to the right, just like the US is doing, which means less internal European cooperation and a further move toward sovereign nation states. The EU will maybe be able to maintain the overall trade cooperation among countries, but there’s very little chance of further European integration in other policy areas as it stands. Even the Schengen open-border cooperation is hanging by a thread.
Then the EU will fall and Europe will plunge into a new era of uncertainty and war
And then Putin can conquer them all…
Yes, which is why I do think the foundational trade framework will remain and possibly strengthen. That’s what originally created the EU and ended many of the conflicts.
What I don’t see happening much going forward is countries giving up sovereignty on things like immigration and judicial issues or social and cultural issues. I also think stuff like a banking union and further economic integration are hanging by a thin, thin thread. There are simply too much disagreement and too many differences in how the economies work. It’s not like states within the US at all.
That’s basically what all our history is anyway
Yeah, it’s also exactly what the EU and it’s predecessors exist to prevent. We’ve never had a period of prolonged peace in Europe like we have now. And these utter fucking slabs want to undo it.
Try to give some nukes to every eastern border country.
Poland already said they’ll get the bomb asap. Not like we have anything to lose.
They would.
Sanctiones. You need to issue sanctions against the US. Please.
If Europe wants to keep the front line east of Ukraine, they better get on that right now. That front line will not stop at the western border.
It’s the same boiler-plate statement they release after every US election.
Not needing help from America would be great if our own governments weren’t filled with fascists.
