Vote for the change you want to see.
The Republican party got remade because trumpists showed up and outvoted the party elites. No reason it can’t happen for the Left except for laziness and apathy.
If all the progressives furious about the state of affairs now had shown up for Sanders in 2016, I doubt we’d be in this hellish timeline. Sadly, he needed the young progressive vote to show up.
As a leftist who’s been voting in Democratic primaries for the last 24 years: Outside of some extreme enclaves in major cities there aren’t enough of us to make a difference that way.
But conveniently there are enough of you that being alienated and not wanting to vote for the Dems is enough of you to lose the entire election and it’s all your fault yadda yadda yadda.
Important enough to cost the election, yet not important enough to influence anything.
It makes sense that we can cost them the election and not have any power in the primary, considering we’re the minority
Look up Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority.
Jerry made the Evangelicals a huge power in the GOP by simply having his people show up at every single GOP organizing meeting.
If twenty people had picked the nominee for dog catcher last term, the Moral Majority would show up with 50. Those county clerks and sheriffs were soon followed by Mayors and Governors and Congress members…
Now that’s a smart strategy, we need to get organized on this level.
People need to stop focusing on how Hilary beat Bernie and look at how Obama beat Hilary.
We tried that. The result was Wilding vs DNC Services Corp.
Do all 3?
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You would vote in the Republic primaries…
Don’t try to stretch the Overton window. You need to move the right side of the window left.This is how black people in the south managed the Democratic party; by voting for the least racist Democrats in the primaries, no matter who won the general election they were better off.
It’s basically ad hoc ranked choice and it prevents extremist candidates from winning.
This is how black people in the south managed the Democratic party; by voting for the least racist Democrats in the primaries
The black voter enjoyed a heavy Republican bias for nearly a century, and suffered much of the same treatment (GOP treated them as a captured constituency, Dixiecrats suppressed their turnout with fraud, incarceration, and terrorism).
By Kennedy, the northern Dems were embracing civil rights not as an electoral strategy but a labor organizing strategy. The vote was largely split, with black voters biasing by party in individual regions rather than as a national block.
It wasn’t into Clinton - when Southern Strategy Repubs had fully purged their party of black voters - that the trend was fully reversed. That wasn’t a decision by the NAACP or the median black voter. It was a Nixonian gambit. Black voters were viewed as a handicap. Appealing to fascism was how you obtained a majority in American politics.
Reagan, the Bushs, and then Trump seemed to further this theory. You’ll get two white voters for every black voter you lose, by being the most racist candidate in the ticket.
Ah, but you see, the primaries are rigged! They’re rigged because, uh, um because the democrats are scared of change, yeah, and if we want real change we have to um. We have to uh.
Wait, no, because january 6 was bad,
They’re rigged because, uh, um
Party Control of Party Primaries: Party Influence in Nominations for the US Senate
Using a simple and easily understood measure of party support, I show that candidates who are less connected to the party are less likely to win and also less likely to remain a candidate in the primary. I find that parties not only are effective in helping candidates win but also are influential in excluding certain electoral options from being presented to primary voters.
Bernie did better in caucus states [controlled directly by the Party] than he did in states with primaries.
Wonder how he would have done in California if the most populous wealthy state didn’t vote 47th.
Please stop thinking about Bernie and start thinking about Obama.
Obama had less time in the Senate and was way behind Hilary in every single poll when he started.
If Obama could do it, the next one can too.
Unfortunately I cannot read that paper without paying money to a journal. Would you care to provide a summary of the methodology?
I am so torn between a trollish ‘no fuck you’ and a genuine ‘samesies’ and it’s left me emotionally vulnerable in a way I’m deeply uncomfortable with. Fuck you.
That’s not being rigged, it’s a Democratic Party election. No shit someone from outside the party will have less influence.
lol did you actually follow the last democratic primaries? Because if you did and you don’t think that shit was rigged as fuck then you’re a fool or being disingenuous.
LOL, the OP calls out people who complain about the democratic primaries without taking part in them, then you wave your hand so we all turn to look at you, and what do you say?
DUR THEY WERE RIGGED, I WASNT THERE, I DIDNT TAKE PART IN THEM, BUT I AM A GREAT POLITICAL MIND I READ ALL ABOUT IT IN MY PARENTS BASEMENT GOOBER GOOBER!!
So you’re going hard with the “I’m a fool” option I see.
It’s a show. Has been since Raegan. Technically not a lie but never the truth. In some dimensions, it always was.
Yeah exactly.
And that most Democrats don’t support drastic changes and want tweaks.
Yeah, it’s boring and hard. That’s just life. Now get out and vote or get used to living in a christofascist hell.
They fucked Bernie and just substituted Harris for Biden on somebody’s whim.
Op: is this a democracy?
Bernie bros didn’t show up to vote and lost the nomination.
You: the system is rigged ¯_(ツ)_/¯
But… but… but that would mean… making an actual effort! Playing the long game! BO-RING!!!
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTeAmerica would be a better place if people realised politics happens 24/7 and not once every 4 years.
Because in people’s mind, politic is purely about backstabbing and rich people party, and not about governing and policy making.
What Democratic primaries?
2016 or 2020.
In case you’re unaware, there were tons of them around the nation. There wasn’t one for the president this time, but there were still plenty of primaries that were very influential. Your local officials have more impact on you than the president does.
So even in local elections people are not allowed to vote for a third party?
You’re allowed to do whatever you want.
If you want to actually make a difference you use strategy.
The smart play is to get a Left leaning Dem nominated. Most voters aren’t going to vote for a 3rd Party candidate no matter how good they are.
I’d rather vote for a mild Left candidate who has a real chance of winning than throw my vote away on my ideal candidate.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you just want to act like you’re a victim for no reason, while also acting like you have some moral highground?
Of course you can vote third party. I’d still do it strategically, but local is where they can actually win and gain influence. You can also vote in the Democrat and third party primaries (if they have them) to get candidates that suit you better.
Odds are a leftist will run under the Democrat banner, and try to win local primaries, and this is how parties change. They don’t change from presidential elections (usually, Trump arguably did but I’d argue that change was happening for a long time locally first). You need to win local elections and build a power base of enthusiastic voters and experienced politicians (and donors). They usually have to prove themselves locally first, and if you aren’t supporting them then you’re never going to have someone you like in positions of power.
There wasn’t one for the president this time, but there were still plenty of primaries that were very influential.
There technically was, it just not one where other candidates can really compete. The incumbent is pretty much guaranteed to win their primary.
AOC has entered the chat.
The guy she unseated in the primary was along term incumbent with lots of connections to the NYC establishment.
If the DNC was fully filled with a bunch of AOC types, we’d be leagues ahead on so many things this country is fucking up.
Granted, that is in part dependent on a country that would accept an AOC style DNC.
Look at what FDR actually did back in the day. If we had a CCC today they’d be working on climate change and high speed rail.
No, for the president there literally wasn’t. The party gets to choose to hold a primary. It isn’t a given. Usually they don’t hold one if the previous president is running again. There were primaries for other positions, but there was not a Democratic primary for the president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
It very much happened. I remember voting for Philips for the 2024 DNC presidential primary.
Probably state by state? I remember when I was complaining about party interference with Bernie, then CO saw which way things were going with Trump, and decided to cancel their primary and award all delegates to his opposition (I don’t remember who was still standing).
Edit: Nevermind I finally clicked the link after opening my big mouth and saw that the map shows no primaries were cancelled in 2024. I’ll leave this as a warning. People, don’t be like me. Click the link before replying.
Oh, yeah. You’re right. I remember that now. It didn’t last long and I don’t know if it ever made it to my state with anyone left.
By the time my state got it’s turn, Philips had already dropped out and endorsed Biden. Still voted for him in the primary because he was basically the only other option.
Dude, I literally voted in the primary. What the fuck are you talking about?
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You underestimate the power of whining online.
MAGA is the result of decades of talk radio and pseudo-journalism aimed at curating a very specific way of seeing the world.
They refined a narrative that was persuasive, easy to upload into people, consistent in how it framed emergent issues, and instilled a sense of urgency that encouraged its adherents to spread the gospel and get politically active.
Obviously, we need to vote. But if you think victory is getting a Bernie 2.0 to 51% in a primary, you’re gonna be sorely disappointed by the general. It needs to be a slam dunk. We need a cultural win before we can have an electoral win.
That cultural win gets won from the bottom up, the people need to vote politicians like AOC and Bernie into every seat that comes up for election in every layer of government and push every neoliberal incumbent out. From local school board elections to the senate. That means that people need to show up and vote in every primary and election and not wait for the big one once every four years. The left wing of the party needs to put more focus and money in these smaller elections and put actual leftists or progressives candidates on those local ballots. That’s how the Tea Party and Maga republicans gained power inside the GOP.
I bet many of the Bernie voters have never voted in a local election in the years prior to that primary.
I don’t think anyone is mad about this idea
