A lot of (and probably most of) the people supporting Stein currently are Muslims whose main interest in voting is regarding the genocide, and on social issues are generally more conservative (and may not agree with her on stuff like LGBTQ) and may not align with either major political party so likely wouldn’t be voting otherwise. I’ve seen a lot of Muslims support Stein on social media and the Stein rally I went to was almost entirely Muslims which is where I’m getting this impression. This is a case where the main parties need to earn their votes, and voting for Stein does not mean voting for Trump because they might not have voted blue either way.
(And regarding Lemmy drama most of the people here are voting PSL anyways so trying to convince people here not to vote for Stein is pointless because it’s the wrong audience.)
hmm PSL… Party for Socialism and Liberation? Claudia de la Cruz? I got no beef with them, how do you think that’s popular on Lemmy? Ohhh you’re on lemmy.ml
look Gaza and the wider Levant or whatever is not just potential real estate. But that is Trump’s milieu, is real estate scams, and he loves the idea of selling off Gaza to rich white folk. So vote for a third party at your peril.
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Shouldn’t be hard to convince anyone not to vote for her who doesn’t hate minorities.
Just let him know that David Duke endorsed Jill Stein.
If that isn’t a literal mic drop on her campaign idk what more can be done. Just make sure everyone knows before they approach a voting booth.
Wait til you find out Dick Cheney endorsed Harris! Probably the chief architect of the “GWOT”, responsible for over 1 million dead. Fuck David Duke, but he’s fuckin small potatoes compared to Dick-Vader.
She rejected the endorsement. Even if she is throwing the election don’t put that crap on her. She can’t control David Duke
Dick fucking Cheney endorsed Harris and she embraced it. And her poll numbers plummetted. That’s a bigger problem with an actual consequence.
Duke endorsed Stein because she does not support Israel.
The Stein campaign called David Duke trash and disavowed him.
The dishonesty here staggering.
Lmao bro David Duke is an overt white supremacist. The association alone is damning, despite the disavowal.
The association alone is damning
He just said he supports her. That’s not an association. He agrees with her on her policy towards Israel. Unless you think her policy towards Israel is unreasonable and only would be held by a white supremacist, then its a ridiculous position to try and maintain, because it basically says that anyone who opposes us support of Israel agrees with David Duke and thus is “associated” with him.
Mental gymnastics Olympic event right here. Not at all surprised to see Nazis and KKK fighting for the gold.
I made my point and can defend it. You just hand waved it away with some empty accusation.
It’s clear who has more faith in their position. Both you and I know it too.
I see you’re continuing to defend former KKK leader David Duke.
If you’re wondering if I care to hear your defense, I don’t.
Cheers!
Lol in what fantasy world have I been defending David Duke?
Now do Cheney and Harris
What am I supposed to do? Repeated that an endorsement is a one way thing?
Huh, the Nazi agrees with her stance on Israel? I mean, fuck Israel, but I wouldn’t want that endorsement on me.
And she denounced him. So clearly she doesn’t want it either.
Your argument is that anyone who does not support Israel is a KKK member.
That is absolutely not what I am saying
If you’re saying that earning an endorsement from antisemites for going against Israel makes Stein an antisemite, by extension, for going against Israel, because that is why Duke endorsed her, then yeah that kinda is what you’re saying…
Ooh that’s some good /agedlikemilk
Duke is endorsing for Stein, because Stein does not support Israel and Duke is antisemitic.
Koch’s is voting for Harris, because she works for the billionaire class and he is a billionaire.
One of these two is not like the other.
Because as everyone should know by now. The only acceptable hypocrisy is leninist hypocrisy.
Stein earned the endorsement from a bad person by doing something good.
Harris earned the endorsement from a bad person by doing something bad.
Oh okay, so they’re just ideological comrades…
The politician you like best and the former head of the KKK are ideological comrades
Say that out loud a few times.
So much energy from democrats that they should instead spend on pressuring their party leadership to change their evil policy of genocide support.
I don’t know, this might be a pretty effective strategy
It might.
Gen Z advocacy group
Is just code for “DC Consulting firm”. The energy is less popular appeals and more paid professional trolls.
Probably a fair assessment. Honestly, the energy I’m thinking of is all these Lemmy users.
I’m honestly wonder how many Lemmy nodes are out there vote-bombing topics like this. It would be the easiest thing in the world to do.
I don’t know. I don’t pay much attention to votes, and I basically assume that whatever someone tells me is their genuine opinion.
I read “totally organic grassroots movement” and hear “PAC funded astroturf campaign”
Yall mfs gonna cost Universalmonk his Lada.
Gonna say, that assclown missed an article
Isn’t this just effectively giving her more attention? I’m not convinced that this helps.
I’m not convinced that saying “I’m not convinced that this helps” helps.
I know you think you’re really clever and that’s great. Howard Stern became popular because people started protesting him. Sometimes you should just ignore things and they go away.
The kids are alright.
A side effect of me being terminally online is that you can predict the top comment of some posts
I have great hope that they’ll be better than our generation, just as we were better than our parents. Fuck the ‘fuck the kids’ mentality.
I’m a classroom teacher, and I find that you’ve gotta sometimes have both “fuck them kids” and “for the kids” in different measures. But overall, I feel like they’re doing a lot of cool things.
That’s a good point. I think that one of the myths that needs to die is that if the cherubic, sweet, innocent, and pure child. Many children, without guidance, are sociopathic assholes. We’re not born “good” then corrupted by the world, we’re born with some personality traits that may or may not help us as social creatures and need help to learn how to handle our emotions and cooperate with others in a manner that is pro-social.
Yup. Like John Green, I’m generally in favor of humans, but we’ve got some perfectly natural tendencies that can really harm others if left unchecked. I think kids want to do good, but they need to be taught how to, given the space to practice, and corrected with grace when they fuck it up.
Young women are alright, right wing support amongst <35 y.o. men is surprisingly high…
right wing support amongst <35 y.o. men is surprisingly high…
The media is flush with fascist attitudes in a country where going on the computer and listening to fascist rants is all you’re allowed to do with your time.
“in a country where […] all you’re allowed to do with your time.”
Eh… The same phenomenon is observed all over first world countries and all of those countries you’re allowed to do mostly whatever the fuck you want with your free time…
you’re allowed to do mostly whatever the fuck you want with your free time…
You’re free to do what you want and the police are free to rough you up for loitering.
all you’re allowed to do with your time.
If you stopped listening to fascist folks you could step outside and see that you have a lot more options.
Sorry you’re in this rut!
Agreed. I’m a teacher and see it in my classrooms. I often feel that they’re not taught how to have healthy community, so they become lil fascists…
If they’re like my nephew, the “manosphere” gives them easy answers as to why everything seems to suck.
It’s also the only answer. Society has really neglected boys for a long time now.
It doesn’t help that every time we point out how society failed boys, there’s always someone who says it’s misogynistic to show men any concern…
Being a guy is no cake walk, and if anyone can say that with a straight face it’s me.
lights up a cigarette They say women like a bad boy, well, I was so bad at being a boy I became a girl.
Yup. Patriarchy did them dirty. Society told them they had to be strong, stoic, and without emotion. And when that butted up against the realities of being a human we didn’t have any community to lead them towards living a good and healthy life.
Patriarchy did em dirty, but feminism also left them behind. It’s not just patriarchal society that forces men to be strong and stoic, it’s also self-professed feminists, especially women. Feminists say men should be more in touch with their emotions, but when they do so women have no interest in them. That’s one of the realities of life you mentioned.
That’s still patriarchy, my guy. They’ve been raised to be complicit in a system that doesn’t benefit them, and they’re perpetuating it because they don’t like how it feels to step outside of it.
Every single woman I know wants a guy in touch with their emotions. And those who found them, married them.
Tell your friends to stop trying to date under 25 year olds. We get over that shit at about this age.
You need to hang out with better women, my man.
when they do so women have no interest in them.
Personally, I find my experience to be much the opposite. But, I’m also in my late thirties so, experiences may differ.
You can fault the Right for a lot of things but they got there first on this one. They have a story for why things suck and they’re pounding the drum on it relentlessly. It doesn’t matter that this story is full of holes when the alternative is not compelling.
Yup. The propaganda machine moved quick when they realized this population could be manipulated into action outside of message boards.
Calling it “patriarchy” is thinly-veiled victim blaming, implying that men suffer primarily because of other men’s decisions. Everything you describe is perpetuated and maintained by both sexes. The social fabric of modern society, its implicit rules and conventions, is not a male establishment.
Western society is not, at all, a “patriarchy”.
Yup. And it’s always women and brown folks.
Don’t forget LGBTQ and furries. 🙄
The amount of times I’ve had to address the “students using litter boxes” schtick is absolutely mind boggling.
It’s always a school two towns over, and it’s always someone who has no attachment to the school attempting to push it.
Tell your nephew that Trump just said he’ll ban video games if he wins.
They know this shit isn’t working, so they’re siding with the ones who give them someone to blame… It’s that simple…
I heard a piece on Here And Now today about a group of single issue voters in Dearborn that is actively working to disrupt and damage the Harris campaign. They are trying to get dems to vote for Stein.
It seems like they’re using multiple strategies in an effort to put pressure on the Dems. Some are saying that they are going to vote for Trump even though they are also anti-Trump. Their logic is that Kamala is actively contributing to a genocide, whereas Trump is not.
I doubt there is anything they can do to actually make Democrat politicians feel pressure, but I do agree with their sentiments. I’m not voting for some who is pro-genocide. Trump is both pro-genocide and fascist. I’m also not going to vote for a 3rd party candidate because most 3rd parties focus on the presidential race more than they focus on grassroots efforts.
Voting is a strategic choice, not an endorsement. You should vote for the candidate who you would rather have in office.
Their logic is that Kamala is actively contributing to a genocide, whereas Trump is not.
Even though he literally is, has put the Israeli Embassy in Jerusalem, and has advocated for the deployment of nukes in Gaza…
Their logic is that Kamala is actively contributing to a genocide, whereas Trump is not.
This is literally the most braindead political take I’ve ever heard, and that’s saying a lot
It’s a classic “technically true, but not particularly useful” information tidbit. Harris is in office, Trump isn’t.
Of course, you could argue that Vance - as a powerful member of the US Senate - is participating in the genocide while Walz - a governor of a midwestern state with no meaningful role in foreign policy - isn’t. Equally true, but meaningless.
The problem Harris has isn’t that Trump gets innocence-by-default by being out of office for four years. Its that she’s doggedly clinging to the “both sides” framing of the Israeli genocide and scaring off Arab-American voters as a consequence. It doesn’t matter whether Harris is better or worse than Trump when the baseline of US policy is the mass slaughter of your friends and family.
The problem that Harris has is the mountains of propaganda working against her.
Not saying she’s perfect, but in a practical sense the spin matters FAR more than the facts.
It’s a classic “technically true, but not particularly useful” information tidbit. Harris is in office, Trump isn’t.
Harris is in an office that is entirely powerless (yes, she casts a vote in the event of a Senate tie, but no bill funding Israel has come down to that). She and Trump have nothing to do with the (current) Palestinian genocide.
Harris is in an office that is entirely powerless
Harris has enormous amounts of power by simply having access to the President’s phone 24/7. That’s before you get into how much authority she’s been delegated by a man whose brains are leaking out of his ears.
And you’ve confirmed that you don’t understand how the President works. He isn’t simply the King of America who can wave a magic wand and do what he wants.
you don’t understand how the President works
Tell it to Dick Cheney. He goes into this at great length in his autobiography
I agree that it’s a bad take. But at this point I think that they’re desperate, trying anything they can to get Kamala to change course. It’s an urgent issue that can be solved easily: just stop supplying weapons and aid to Israel. Four years from now, most Palestinians living in Palestine will already be dead.
That loses older uninformed democrat voters unfortunately
it’s not just uninformed voters, my grandfather is a retired history teacher and, he firmly believes that while Isreal is in the wrong, that it’s not in the US best interest to drop them. He’s worries that the destabalization of the area further will invite other foreign adversaries to invade it while also losing basically the only is friendly territory around. He’s worried it’ll be a repeat of the last time
I mean they’re naming an illegal settlement after trump and Netanyahu is explicitly advocating for trump. What’s crazy is polls show Kamala would get like a 6 point poll boost by breaking with biden on this and saying something a little more forceful about a peace deal, such as a deadline where arms deals are halted. It would almost singlehandedly secure michigan.
At this point, I wonder if opposition to Israel is dangerous for the lives of Western leaders.
I think its more that they’re afraid of being labeles antisemitic by the media and there’s pressure from the military to maintain status with Israel
“single issue voters” 🤣 🤣 🤣
“stop blowing up my family”
okay SiNgLe IsSuE vOtEr
Thing is, there is no “stop blowing up my family” vote in this election.
It’s “status quo, maybe some improvements but don’t hold your breath about anything major” vs “corruption, corruption, corruption, fuck everyone who isn’t a billionaire or has their lips firmly attached to billionaire assess, especially the entirety of Palestine” vs “I won’t vote for either of those options but will still need to live with the one everyone else votes for”.
Good. Scammers need to be called out and avoided at all costs.
A vote for Stein is a vote for Trumph
A vote for Stein is a vote for Stein. Don’t try to bend logic.
Amen, brother!
Nah, you’re wrong.
It’s more like throwing your vote in the garbage, with the electoral college, but thanks for revealing what you are so I can block you
If voting for a third party is throwing your vote in the garbage, voting for parties backing a genocide is throwing it into the toilet.
Nope, sorry. Since those parties can win, your vote will not be wasted.
If I didn’t get a good laugh from every stupid thing Index says on a regular basis, I would have done the same already.
Blocking people just because of who they vote for?! lol Ok…
Sorry, I don’t communicate with people who support genocide enablers like Jill Stein.
🤷
No one owes anyone engagement. Especially someone like you. Who’s showing themselves repeatedly to be disingenuous and bad faith. You don’t have to like it. But there’s nothing you can do about it. Outside of act like a better person.
Oh come on. They’re a little overzealous about posting but it’s a major stretch to call them disingenuous and bad faith simply for disagreeing with you.
Voting third party is viable when we change the voting system, to ranked choice voting for example. Until that time comes, the two primary parties will remain dominant.
That is never going to happen.
It’s sure not going to happen by voting for Stein.
It’s literally already happening. Locality by locality state by state at least take the time to look around you before you make any absolute statements. It’s going to take forever at the national level absolutely. Far longer than I should. But it can and will happen.
Good. Fuck Jill Stein. Fucking grifter loser.
How do you do fellow young adults.
What would be harassment on Lemmy (learn to take a hint already), actually makes sense on tiktok. With it’s giant, young user base, there should be someone you can convince to vote for Harris.
However, I do think getting Jill Stein’s name out there could backfire. Remember, it was the media that made trump a viable candidate.
if you live in a state with preferential voting (eg alaska, maine?) wouldn’t you be better off voting green if they represent you views better?
ah yes the party of “wifi causes brain damage”
What states have ranked choice?
Alaska and Maine.
The Green Party, maybe. Jill Stein, with the stuff she’s been saying I am not quite sure if she would actually present your views better or if she’s an actual competent leader. Of course you can have the question of the best of the worst, but then still I’m not sure if she compares well.
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