Vice presidential candidates JD Vance and Tim Walz are set to debate this Tuesday. Ahead of the Oct. 1 event, the broadcaster announced that moderators Norah O’Donnell and Margaret Brennan will not fact-check either candidate — Walz and Vance will be responsible for fact-checking one another. The news prompted political scientist Norman Ornstein to lament that though CBS was once “the gold standard for television news,” both “those days and their standards are long gone.”
Ornstein isn’t the only voice objecting to CBS’ announcement, with the condemnation of their choice widespread on social media after CNN previously declined to fact-check candidates during the debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump earlier this year, followed by ABC opting to include brief fact-checks from moderators in the presidential debate between Trump and Kamala Harris.
According to CBS News’ editorial standards, the moderators are there to facilitate the conversation/debate between the candidates, as well as enforce the debate’s rules. However, they leave the responsibility to the candidates when it comes to fact-checking as part of the broadcast. CBS does plan to offer its own form of live fact-checking — but it will be online, rather than directly from the moderators, via its CBS News Confirmed Unit journalists in an online blog.
I prefer to be r@ped by Vance if these two are the only men left…
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government, but like, choosing the best rapist is hardly an improvement.
What is wrong with you?
Yes, I agree. What is wrong with the quality of trolls? Their posts are so low-effort, and also reveal so much about their fragile mental state. On the plus side, it makes it easier to diagnose, block, and move on.
I’d prefer to not use the internet if people like Henry@lemmy.ca were the only posters left.
A lot of the trolls recently also have very weird histories. The accounts are often over a year old yet have no post or comment history. They just woke up within a few days ago to start trolling.
Henry here has a 3 year old account with zero activity until just 4 days ago, and every comment has been trolling.
I think this is how it should be. Moderators fact checking inevitably leads to accusations of being biased to one party, since anything and everything can be fact checked. Unless you keep tally and do an exact number of fact checks for both sides, it’s futile to fact check. Let the opponent do that. They should have prepared for all the lies they know their opponents would peddle.
Debates don’t have unlimited time. That would simply allow them to lie every time a person has the last say on a topic. Making the other person have to use their time to speak on the next topic about a precious topics bologna, making minimal time to actually reply and a constant distraction from answering the questions which were hopefully designed to allow voters to better understand the positions of the candidates.
Tally’s don’t really work well either because lies aren’t always black and white. Say for instance someone says x number of people or $x were spent on something or were effected by something. If they say 400,000 but it was really 389,000… You would have to mark that as a lie equivalent to a lie saying John Snow wasn’t a character in game of thrones.
This is the real answer.
CBS not fact checking gives the liar a strong advantage.
The moderators not fact checking is fine for things like debate competitions because the judges are experts.
But in a public debate, an opponent even responding to a lie legitimizes the lie. “Of course he’d say that.”
When a candidate lies and the facts are readily available to the moderators, it is imperative for the public good that they fact check.
I’ll try and assume that you’re not just a Maga type who hates facts, for just a second.
You can’t prepare for the lies that the opponent will peddle, because Vance uses the tactic where he just throws an avalanche of bullshit, with a tiny bit of truth in there. Its literally what he’s been doing so far. No normal human being will be able to fact check all that in real time and give any rebuttal, waltz would look like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about even though in reality Vance would just be lying his ass off.
This is why you have moderators who do fact checking. If it seems to you that the fact checking is rather one sided, then you’re very close to underi the issue, you just need that one last extra step where you understand that trump & co are full of bullshit
Try not to use “Slammed” in Article title challenge (Impossible)
Lambasted
Cowards. Why hold a debate at all if you’re gonna be pussies about it?
Hook each VP candidate nuts to a car battery and every time they lie hit them with the full voltage.
Simple as.
12 volts is nothing. You can bridge a car battery with your fingers and nothing happens.
I’ve seen this Reddit post before.
It’s not a joke. Though you can feel free to keep making jokes, but seriously, think of a 9v battery and putting your tongue on it. A car battery is barely one more AA battery on top of that.
Have you seen the Reddit post where the guy attached the power supply to his freshly showered balls?
A power supply is not a car battery. Either it wasn’t a car battery or it was fake. Literally go try it yourself. I’m not joking. Car batteries you literally can’t even feel if you bridge the terminals. There’s plenty on YouTube if you don’t believe me and choose to believe some random Reddit vid.
too low voltage, recommend 10 batteries in series
StyroPyro has entered the chat
Was thinking of that exact video when writing this lol
That would increase voltage?
Series increases voltage, parallel increases capacity. the more you know
That’s how batteries in series work.
Learned something new
At this point, refusing to fact-check a debate is just a tacit admission that you want to help the GOP. After all, JD Vance is on record saying he has no problem lying and making up things if he thinks it’s politically advantageous. Tim Walz shouldn’t have to cut into his time correcting the lies of an established liar. Why have journalists involved at all? Seems like it’d be cheaper to hire some bozo off the street to read the questions and only enforce time limits on the Democrat. You don’t need Norah O’Donnell and Margaret Brennan to accomplish that.
Tim has come out guns blazing. I’d let him go head to head against Vance with no fact checks. I just wish they’d get rid of the moderators, though, if they aren’t going to moderate.
Just put a jar between them and they can pull a card if the discussion dies down.
JD would just end up putting the jar between some couch cushions…
Truth is just an opinion. Whatever was said most eloquently and with more confidence was probably truer. There needn’t be any fact checking other than two people each saying a thing, the one who’s right will simply sound right to anyone, regardless of any pre-existing bias. /S
S L A M M E D
To slams, you say?
CBS does plan to offer its own form of live fact-checking — but it will be online, rather than directly from the moderators, via its CBS News Confirmed Unit journalists in an online blog.
So the attention of the viewer is divided or they don’t even know that there is an online live fact check.
Sounds more than fishy
I vote for big true/false gauge behind them both. The needle swings as the speaker speaks. Maybe a flashing red light for insane lies and green for absolute truth.
But they would need real fact checkers voting on the truthfulness in real time to make it work.
Maybe their mic should get quieter each time they lie lol
This is actually a great compromise if they don’t wanna fact check em on air. Have the meter and the link on screen if anyone wants to go online to read the fact check.
I’d prefer it actually visible to the candidates.
They need to know that we know.
Lul would be amazing. I would love to see their reaction as the meter in front of them goes ham.
“Uh, well, I, uh … the question is-is vague. You don’t say what kind of couch, whether anyone is watching or, uh… At any rate, I certainly wouldn’t fuck the couch!”
The best thing about this joke is how protesting will make him sound so much more guilty of it.
good.
You misspelled “bad”.
So they’re just going to let Vance fearmonger the country into a race war.
Cool. Cool cool cool.
Vance will be fact checked way more.
I refuse to upvote any post woth the word “slammed” in the title
That really ripped me.
“Article title slammed by Feathercrown”
Mysticpickle drops bombshell on journalists. Entire industry collapses!
Easy blah blah obliterates/annihilates their opponent in alleged debate.
We might as well go for the most obscene words at this point.
So sick of the over-use of “slam”. Where it does work? “Car door slams finger.” Elsewhere? No. Never.
And wrestling news.
And in porn news.
Domestic violence news
All good answers! I love you Internet people!
What about after the words “Everybody get up, it’s time to” or “come on and”?
Whatever happened to "criticize?’
That’s been turned against the critic. Some people view “criticizism” the same as nitpicking and complaining.
Too boring! We need drama, baby! Endless, exhausting drama brings those sweet, sweet clicks! That’s why we love Trump!
Slamalamadingdong!
Come on and slam! And welcome to the jam!
