The move embodies how ads are a growing and virtually inescapable part of the TV-viewing experience—even when you’re not watching anything.
As you might have expected, LG didn’t make a big, splashy announcement to consumers or LG TV owners about this new ad format. Instead, and ostensibly strategically, the September 5 announcement was made to advertisers. LG appears to know that screensaver ads aren’t a feature that excites users. Still, it and many other TV makers are happy to shove ads into the software of already-purchased devices.
LG TV owners may have already spotted the ads or learned about them via FlatpanelsHD, which today reported seeing a full-screen ad on the screensaver for LG’s latest flagship TV, the G4. “The ad appeared before the conventional screensaver kicks in," per the website, “and was localized to the region the TV was set to.”
LG has put these ads on by default, according to FlatpanelsHD, but you can disable them in the TVs’ settings. Still, the introduction of ads during a screensaver, shown during a pause in TV viewing that some TVs use as an opportunity to show art or personal photos that amplify the space, illustrates the high priority that ad dollars and tracking have among today’s TVs—even new top-of-the-line ones.
The addition of screensaver ads that users can disable may sound like a comparatively smaller disruption as far as TV operating system (OS) ads go. But the incorporation of new ad formats into TV OSes’ various nooks and crannies is a slippery slope. Some TV brands are even centered more on ads than selling hardware. Unfortunately, it’s up to OS operators and TV OEMs to decide where the line is, including for already-purchased TVs. User and advertiser interests don’t always align, making TV streaming platforms without third-party ads, such as Apple TV, increasingly scarce gems.
If I’m not watching it, my TV stays off. But for how long anymore, I wonder…
Side thought: the smartphone ROMs/roots scene has slowed down, recently; maybe it’s time to start with TVs rooting.
One of the concerns I would have with custom ROMs for TVs is that I think a lot of the image processing magic that makes the image look good on these high end displays is done in some proprietary method that the custom ROM wouldn’t be able to use. Either in software or in hardware.
The magic of the high end TVs isn’t actually in the panel itself as much as in the driving of the panel.
Remember the tv in Back to the Future 2, how absurd it was?
We’re 5 years from someone proposing “smartwall displays” where the entire wall is your display. No more messy cables or creaky mounting brackets. They’ll, of course also have removed the on/off button and you won’t get to control the volume, but just think of the stimulation!
Fahrenheit 451’s technology just around the corner of the next shitty planned community coming soon near you.
Your TV doesn’t need a screensaver. You can just… turn it off.
for now
Soon that feature will be premium only.
You can still turn it off. Not much they can do about your turning it off at the wall.
A battery and a cell modem.
I was always torn over what TV brand to buy. This helps narrow it down further.
They all will do within 2 years because fuck I peasants… Ain’t the free market grand?
There are some large computer monitors, depending on how big of a screen you want. There’s no smart crap in those, just DisplayPort and HDMI inputs.
Selection is an issue. Doubt they got large oled formats.
Depends on your definition of large; I’ve got an amazing 48" 4k 120hz OLED monitor that does no “smart” features.
Alienware does a 55" that I think is the largest available rn though I can’t vouch for the inclusion or lack of ads or smart features.
65+ inch but really 70
55 is decent but if you got wall space and distance why not go big.
Yea I’ve got a 65" OLED with Dolby Vision. I’d have a hard time going back to anything else. But why even worry about smart features at all when an offline TV is effectively the same as a monitor anyway for less money and more entertainment specific features.
Totally fair, makes sense. Didn’t want to presume lol. I don’t have a space big enough for something that large but maybe one day haha. Hopefully by then they’ll be making gaming oled monitors that big. I have purchased some cheaper smart tvs for work that are 75 or 77 inches and man, the size is crazy. Those are cheap LEDs though iirc, cost less than my 55" oled tv.
Thank you daddy capitalism.
I hope I can continue to make the smart TV dumb by never giving it network access. When that fails I’ll have to hope the pihole handles some of it. The other fun option might be to put it on a VPN in the EU and hope that it enables some gdpr options.
Either way you’re right, it’s likely inevitable.
EU vpn is cute but it is still feeding the parasite.
Best TV is the TV that never touched the internet. It ruins their entire business model 🐸
Peasants will never get ahead unless we start obstructing this bullshit.
My Samsung I bought last year required an Internet connection during setup, but after it updated it “allowed” me to disconnect it. Just to be extra safe I connected it to a guest network that I changed the password on so it couldn’t remember the credentials. The menus have ads (that never change), but I set the TV to default to the last HDMI port when it turns on.
I wish they had an AOSP sort of approach to TV where I could install a new ROM and customize the TV OS with whatever changes I’d like, so I didn’t need extra devices to view Plex and my streaming channels. DRM shuts that dream down pretty quickly though.
I hope that some privacy forward brands will emerge, but there just doesn’t seem to be consumer demand or awareness.
This narrows it bit too much, LGs were the one of few remaining beands.
To which remaining TV brands? They’re all gonna do this kinda stuff.
Unfortunately LG makes the best panels, and many other brands use LG panels(not as good as what LG puts in their own units).
The solution here is to buy their ad subsidized tv and never connect it to the internet.
The fabled HTPC is a fix that few people know exists for a problem that few people know they can do anything about.
Anything other than the native TV experience. I use a Nvidia shield personally.
It’s not perfect but at least I don’t get ads for anything other than a few Disney shows in a small bar
Install a 3rd party launcher if you want to get rid of those too
I bought an Apple TV and it’s pretty damned good to be honest. I’m still rocking the native experience on my bedroom TV but this sounds like that’s going to have to change.
Every day I turn on my LG TV, it wants an update. It’s been doing this for like 3 years now. Given the article, it won’t be getting that update any time soon!
I generally like the picture quality from my LG OLED but the interface is not great and you are sooo right about the updates. My SO constantly complains about turning on the tv and it needs an update.
The pop up is slightly delayed as well, and I think its very intentional so you turn it on and then start doing an action and select something, only to select the update.
I pirated for a long time, and even though I had(have) large media libraries and the home server capacity to manage everything just fine, I stopped.
Not sure when, or why, I’m guessing a service broke and I just said fuck it, I already have Prime+Netflix, and that was years ago at this point.
Netflix’s password policy and Amazon showing adds had me spin them up again, and even migrate over to Jellyfin because Plex is just another enshitified privacy nightmare.
Which was a pleasant surprise, because the last I tried Jellyfin years ago, it was not worth the hassle. Also, Plex wasn’t nearly as bad as it is now.
To swing this back around to this article, I’m betting eventually they’ll force their TVs online by disabling features, capabilities, or even the device itself, if it’s not phoning home.
Okay, I have to wonder… what is the point of shoving ads down user’s throats all the time? Ads make me NOT want to purchase something. If I see ads for a product it just makes me hate that product. If a product pushes ads I hate that too.
We are in the minority, its pushed so much because it works.
There are some people who are outright influenced, but other times even shoving visuals at the user is enough to subliminally influence to a degree, advertising is all psychology.
That’s why when I remember this when considering compromising and using something with ads. Its never worth the sacrifice, starting to apply the same philosophy to services who subsidize their cost of operating using data. Sure it costs me more but realistically that’s how it should be, there’s no free lunch.
The primary goal is to simply get the information inside your mind. Whether you like or dislike it doesn’t really matter. That preexisting brand/product familiarity is often all that is needed to tip the scales months or years down the road, once you’ve “forgotten” all about the annoying ad, while you find yourself deciding between competing products on a shelf or on a store page.
Oh the irony. The site reporting LG’s ads wants people to remove ad blockers.
Iphone?
Yes. This was taken on iOS.
Ah okay, tools for adblocking are kinda limited on iPhone. Would have recommended Firefox and ublock origin otherwise.
Adblocking is totally doable on iOS! I use Firefox Focus, and wipr for Safari (when I’m away from my pi-hole)
Dystrophic…
My TV is probably going to kick the bucket in a year or two at most. Filtering “non smart TVs” on a site like BestBuy shows only commercial display options at this point.
Are there any well maintained projects out there that are able to replace the firmware on newer smart TVs to get rid of these features? I really just want a dumb display with an input for a Chromecast with CEC support (or similar device if Google decides to enshittify that platform with screensaver ads too).
If you want a Chromecast, why not just buy a TV that runs on Google TV (Android) instead?
I think the best way forward would be a single board computer that can do an open source equivalent to chromecasting. Plug that in and leave your TV unconnected to the network.
You can’t do chromecast directly, because Google holds encryption keys for it. Unfortunately, this means casting apps need to be modified to support it.
There’s a few projects like this:
Just don’t connect it to the internet and it’s a dumb display, simple as that
Probably the best idea I guess as long as you can set the TV up without Internet.
Last tv i bought wouldn’t let you set it up without connecting to the internet. Guess we’ll need open hardware tvs next if they don’t aleady exist
Couldn’t you theoretically set it up and afterwards unplug the wifi adapter?
I just returned it, but my idea was a separate VLAN and block all connections except for whitelisted ones for streaming. Smart tvs/rokus/etc do a lot of talking and they could theoretically brick themselves if there isn’t an internet connection available.
The future is a wonderful place!
rokus will DoS your DNS servers if you block their telemetry, I had to disable most logging on my pihole due to that because I was getting 2 or 3 gigs worth of DNS daily logging which was almost fully the sole roku Premier upstairs. It’s so bad.
A year or two ago my LG B8 automatically bricked itself unless I agreed to the new terms and conditions. Literally something like “to continue using your tv please agree to the new terms”, and if I didn’t it was just bricked. They could have put anything in there and it was just “click agree or never use this device again”.
It’s not been connected to the internet since.
The fact that shrink-wrapped agreements aren’t automatically void worldwide is a fucking abomination. No you shouldn’t get to push a legally binding contract on me after I paid for the product. It’s my property now and if you want to require a license agreement after the sale then I should be able to decline it for a full refund fuck you.
Well that sucks, ironically I connect my C2 to the net for the NFL gamepass sub I’m actually paying for. Guess it’s back to illegal streams on the desktop PC
LOL, they are basically billboards that you purchase to display ads at home!
Cool. No internet anymore for my TV.
