• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    He didn’t before Kamala started telling everyone how conservative she is now…

    She’s better than Biden, absolutely better to trump…

    But she’s still more conservative than most of the Dem voter base

    Republicans use polls of Republican voters, they dont give two shits what Dems want. But Dem politicians keep fucking looking at polls of all voters, and using that to drive policy.

    The result is no candidate really represents Dem voters, just the small (but very vocal) conservative wing of the Dem party. One tried to tell me Reagan was further left economically than Obama earlier today, and I think they really believed it.

    They’re just completely disengaged from other Dem voters, they think because neoliberals politicians still have a stranglehold on party leadership it means they’re the majority.

    Worst case of running a progressive candidate is they pull another PUMA like in 08 where they tried to get the Republican elected to spite Obama when he beat Hillary…

    Their republican votes were completely inconsequential.

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      Most of the dem voter base that you know. To paraphrase Nate Silver recently, the liberal very online voter thinks that their constituency is a lot larger than it is.

      I guarantee you that the union steel worker in Bethlehem, PA and the school teacher mother of 4 in Georgia are and have been a sizable part of the base.

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        19 days ago

        Nate Silver

        Lol

        The guy who kept saying Hillary would win despite polling, fucked up covid and argued against medical experts, got laid off from his own company and called Biden a “walking corpse”?

        The one literally bankrolled by the same guy bankrolling JD Vance?

        https://www.vox.com/politics/372217/nate-silver-2024-polls-trump-harris

        Why are you listening to him? Did you see that takedown article from today and walk away from it thinking he was the good guy?

        I now coincidences are a thing, but that’s a little spooky…

        If not, you should read that, here’s a good quote from it:

        Accordingly, the uproar over the current forecast, from people who want Harris to win, has been quite pronounced. “Who bought #NateSilver and how much did he go for?” actress Bette Midler posted on X. Baseless conspiracy theories have been hatched that Silver’s recently announced gig as an adviser to the online prediction market Polymarket is spurring him to do the bidding of right-wing billionaires and skew his analysis against Harris. (Silver has strongly denied those claims. “Peter Thiel isn’t paying me any more than he’s paying someone who works for Facebook or Lyft,” he recently posted on X.)

        Among the more data-literate, the main critique of Silver’s model lately has been that it’s unfairly punishing Harris for not getting a big polling bounce after the Democratic convention. (Nominees typically get a bounce then and lose some of that advantage later on, but this is an unusual cycle and perhaps Harris got her “bounce” earlier, when she entered the race.) On September 7, Silver wrote that if the “convention bounce” setting was turned off, the model would show something extremely close to a pure 50-50 contest; he has also said that this effect will dwindle the further we get from the convention.