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“Billionaire endorses politician” 🙄
lol
haha
♠️
Well of course she did… it’s easy being a Democrat celebrity…
Have a downvote with that salty wine
Agreed. It sure is easy to publicly not be a cunt.
my queen
This is not “breaking news” under any circumstances.
Glad she’s supporting kamala and using her influence, but that being said the celebrity worship nonsense is silly. Not breaking news.
Unfortunately celebrity worship is influence, and influence is the key in elections. No influence, no vote. It is power. And the amount of influential power Taylor swift has is absolutely staggering. I wouldn’t be surprised if her endorsing kamala brings in tens if not hundreds of thousands of voters to register.
I’m skeptical that the kinds of people that would be swayed to vote for Kamala solely due to Taylor Swifts endorsement, are the kinds of people who see breaking news on NBC.
It’s not breaking news, which was my OP LOL. She could probably have the intended effect on tik tok and Twitter.
But still, I don’t really care, if it gets more votes against trump I’m all for it.
It ain’t breaking news though LOL. Putin launching a nuke is breaking news.
Well, we are talking about a pop star with absolutely staggering amount of influence and reach, specifically with a young demographic. If she were able to motivate her fan-base to vote, that would be a huge deal.
I mean she is probably the most popular pop star in the world, so I think it is breaking news if it helps the disenfranchised youth vote for Kamala over Trump.
Yeah, the fact that I keep seeing this as breaking, or important, news makes me want to break into a broadcast center and pull a “The Network”.
Dear Trump
We, are never ever ever, getting back together.
Sincerely, The White House
Some folks here really seem to think that her fans don’t have any political opinions without her. This is actually as much about her politically engaged fan base wanting her to use her platform for good, than it is about swaying people who might be very young or unsure about voting.
Lots of swifties are millenials who lean left and liberal and some have criticized her in the past for not speaking up or for leaving her views ambiguous in a way that left room for the right to coopt her image. This is not about silly pop fans needing to be told what to think. People aren’t ignorant. It’s exactly because she’s powerful and very wealthy, that it’s important for her to use her power to be very clear about where she stands. Especially in light of the ai thing and the Brittany Mahomes weirdness.
and some have criticized her in the past for not speaking up or for leaving her views ambiguous in a way that left room for the right to coopt her image.
This seems important to her, especially considering her timing – she mentioned that the right has been circulating deep fakes of her falsely claiming she endorsed trump.
obviously a lot of them are engaged, but the US is famously bad at actually voting, so this might make a significant difference in who votes.
I really hope that it does.
ideally it should, we saw something similar after kamala harris took over biden.
Good news!
https://x.com/ElenaMMoore/status/1833936170301960507
NEW: A General Services Administration spox tells NPR that as of 11 a.m. ET today there have been 306,422 visitors to http://vote.gov referred from Taylor Swifts’s URL she shared on Instagram last night
Heck yeahh
damn holy shit, big if true.
She did it in 2023 and I’m not one for bets. :) https://www.npr.org/2023/09/22/1201183160/taylor-swift-instagram-voter-registration
So of course Musk immediately threatens to “give her a child”. Like a normal not weird person.
Um, maybe it’s an attempt at a compliment? Like, it’s just so attractive she speaks up, now he wants to have a family with her? Or maybe he just wants to give her one of his already born children, he has plenty to go around.
Maybe he is threatening to force one of his numerous, unloved, kids on her?
Ahh, who are we kidding. He totally thinks that getting dick from a “real man”, and having his child, will trad pill her. Cause Elon is much more masculine than her huge, pro-athlete, boyfriend.
Even when read as sarcasm, your original comment is still cringe inducing
It’s weird and gross.
He wants to invite her to Epstein island
She’s too old for that.
As a…consumer
She’s too “not a rapist/pedophile” for that
No.
Don’t give the creep the benefit of the doubt. He’s got this weird ass breeding kink he inherited from his father and has been gross toward women in the past.
Yet another reason to note vote for that parrot drone of a politician. Ignorant person endorsing an ignorant person.
And when did it become important who a pop star “endorses”? Should it really help sway opinion?
Gtf outta here.
Month old account that has spent its entire time on Lemmy being a contrarian asshole. Nothing of value to read here, folks.
Lol. Oh, I have opposing opinions, so I am a contrarian asshole? So you would like to silence any contrary opinions and just live in a liberal echo chamber?
I’m not surprised… it’s what people do here. Your views are so fragile that you can’t handle an opposing view.
I’m doing yall a favor here, I’m trying to expose yall to the other side of the arguments. I want you to understand the scope of things. Don’t hate on me brother.
I have opposing opinions
Please do share some opposing opinions rather than just shitting on someone else daring to add their voice to the great chorus of democracy.
I’m sure everyone will have a lot of time to indulge your certainly well-informed and nuanced political opinions.
“The great chorus of democracy”…
Sorry if it just seems like im shitting on opinions, but like this, it’s just bad… this “great chorus of democracy” is called an echo chamber. It is a chorus. Everyone is reaffirming each other’s opinions with no one able to say contrary without ridicule and insults. No one with opposing views wants to be here because of this. Thus, it turns into an echo chamber.
I don’t think most here get out into the real world much because people here think the opinions shared here are shared by everybody… but no, the reinforced opinions here are not litmus test of reality.
I’m sure everyone will have a lot of time to indulge your certainly well-informed and nuanced political opinions.
I’m not inclined to take you up on that offer as it seems very disingenuous. I’m not going to express my political opinions so you and your crew can team up and harass me. I’ll give you this, our options for POTUS are pitiful. It nearly makes me sick, considering either as our next president. Having said that, Harris is a weak puppet. Biden was senile puppet. Between the 2 options, it sucks but I think Trump is the better choice. He isn’t going to end democracy or destroy America like dissenting voice claim. He’ll be in office for 4 years and then be gone. Thank God. Many Conservatives have shamed and disgraced the party by turning into the trump party.
Having said that, everything is going to be fine. With either candidate, there will be ups and down, but we’re going survive. America will be fine. Every needs to chill out, we need to quit with all the division and hate, that’s what they try to do, they try to divide us. It’s hard not to fall into it, I’m a victim of it myself. Anyway, I didn’t mean to rant. Let me just say that echo chambers are real and very bad. Like it or not, lemme is an echo chamber, reddit is an echo chamber. The dangerous part is not to understand that one is in an echo chamber. I believe most here don’t realize that they are in an echo chamber. Its unhealthy… anyway… geez. Sorry
Yes, like a monkey throwing shit exposes the surrounding victims to e coli, you are exposing us to your views. Thank you brother
Lol. Good one.
What sort of direct action do you endorse?
Lol… this is the problem though. My “endorsement” doesn’t matter much, and it shouldn’t matter to you. I’m a random person on the internet, I hope my endorsement wouldn’t sway your opinion. (Facts backed by sources and corroboration is what should should sway opinion, not pop stars and billionaires)
Why would I care about your initial criticism but not your proposed course of action? I’m down to collaborate, give me a source.
Weird world where people respect the opinions of people they respect in general.
Wait, that’s not weird at all.
Go somewhere else 🤷
Oh, you respect swift? She has earned your respect? Lol. This million pop star, who you haven’t ever met, has earned your respect enough to convince you to vote a certain way?
You don’t hear how utterly ridiculous that sounds? Please tell me you understand how ridiculous that sounds…
I’m really trying here… I feel it’s a losing battle. I just want yall to use common sense…
Probably some delusional fantasy of revolution
“Kamala, obviously.”
Look, I am not a billionaire loving guy anymore than some of you are.
But has anyone here considered that Musk has made an impact on the views of young white men (whom also happen to be Republican and Conservative or Proud Boys?
Does it bother us that these men follow a billionaire who doesn’t give two shits about them? Yes.
Do I care that Taylor Swift is the opposite of that and encourages young women and men, be it black, gay, trans, etc to be opposite end of that spectrum. Fuck yes, we shouldn’t base our views off the rich but has it ever occurred to anyone here that it is using those billionairs to represent and have them be vocal with the power they hold with our views instead?
I will absolutely take Taylor Swift speaking up and saying what she believes in and her giving that voice to 100000+ people whose only voice is heard in a vote if her speaking up also encourages people to say fuck Trump and and Musk and every fucking dumb ass on this post that thinks Taylor speaking out is a bad thing by comparison to it somehow being worse then what they already do with Musk.
Fuckem, fuck billionaires, but God damn keep fucking roasting them TSwiftie.
It’s almost like people have attributes other than their net worth.
every fucking dumb ass on this post that thinks Taylor speaking out is a bad thing by comparison to it somehow being worse then what they already do with Musk.
If your political opinion is swayed by either a pop star or a billionaire, you’re kinda a dumb ass. Full stop.
That’s just how people work. Belief is social. We all value input from people we see as members of our in-group more than outsiders.
First, thank you for your comment without personal attacks, I’m getting torn up over here, but its me that is getting reported and comments removed for “incivility.”
Anyway, what you say is true, but I believe we need to be discerning with respect to our political influences and sources. I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong to consider the opinions of others (pop star or not), but it should not have the weight to sway our voting one way or the other
If only people were more logical and calm, like men! /s
Your political movement is impotent if it can’t seduce. Here’s an underrated short tube essay on the political power of bimbos: https://youtu.be/FeRIE6JDhCQ
Good thing dumbasses can’t vote…
I think you forgot the /s.
… what? Are you serious? 80% of voters are dumb asses…
It was sarcasm.
Oh… shwoosh. My bad sry.
You’d be surprised.
I’m not down with billionaires either, but at least she’s using her fame and money towards some good things.
It’s one of the very few ethical ways to become a billionaire I think. If you sell an album or book for $10, and you’re a global sensation, it’s reasonable you’ll get 100 million people buying it. It just falls on you then to use that money for his good reasons and adequately compensate people who support you. And Swift has generally been really good about that.
Yes, agreed. I do think overall that being a billionaire necessitates someone else (lots of someone elses) getting the shaft. But there are degress of… billionairism, and she is on the right side of that, albeit still a billionaire.
I think overall that is very much so the case. This is the exception, not the norm.
If I had a platform that millions of people listened to (which I don’t), and strongly held beliefs about how the country could be made better for everyone (which I do), why wouldn’t I use my platform to share those beliefs? How could I not?
No one MUST obey what either of them says, just like no one would be compelled to obey me in my hypothetical. But I don’t really have a problem with any person using whatever platform they’ve found themselves with to express their own beliefs and desires. I don’t think people lose the right to free expression just because they are rich and/or famous and/or powerful.
Edit: And if you piss a lot of people off and lose all your advertisers because your opinions are repugnant and awful - well hey, that’s the choice you made.
why wouldn’t I use my platform to share those beliefs?
I think it’s perfectly valid to say “the system that gave me this platform is unfair and I shouldn’t have benefited from it to the degree that I have, but I have the platform now so I’m going to use it for good.”
Ironically, Taylor Swift was, up to this point, trying very hard NOT to use her platform. Just read her post. She’s BEGGING the reader not to blindly follow her in voting, and do their own research and make their own choice. She’d said she’d wait until after her tour to endorse a candidate (which would have been after the election 🤣 ), but she says in her post that the AI DeepFake Endorsement she ‘made’ of Trump compelled her to give up her secret ballot and outright state she’s voting for Harris.
Great point and apologies for glossing over that. I guess my reply just blurred into my general opinion about people dismissing or being grumpy about “celebrity” endorsements or political statements.
I hear ya. Yeah, I do agree with ‘you shouldn’t make a political opinion based on what a celebrity does,’ but the reality is that people might waiver until they hear someone they like and trust (like a celebrity) makes a decision. Sad fact of life in this popularity contest we call a political system. ;)
Instead of posting a screenshot and a link, they posted a broken Instagram embed instead. Come on.
Hey it’s a small indie publication cut them some slack.
Why do we care what a rich entertainer thinks?
She stated in her post a major motivation for her was the fake AI pictures Trump and Co circulated a few weeks ago, so they definitely care. I actually admire that she is simply stating she plans to vote for Harris, rather than outright endorsing her. Swift advises people to be politically informed and to vote. I think that’s a pretty good message for anyone to say.
She stated in her post a major motivation for her was the fake AI pictures Trump and Co circulated a few weekss ago
That’s definitely a part she should’ve left out.
Why? Again it was her motivation for the post?
Inclusion implies that if she’d not been targeted then she’d not have spoken up.
I won’t doubt that there is some intention there along those lines. Maybe she wanted it to be read that way. I see it more along those lines than a full-blown endorsement.
I perceive its appeal to MLK’s “white moderate”.
Why do we care what you think?
Because you subscribed? If you don’t care what people think here just unsubscribe and move on.
I don’t recall subscribing to sirderpy’s Tucker Carlson questions simulator. Where do I unsubscribe?
Because she has a ridiculous number of fans and this may spur some of them to vote that might not have otherwise.
Hopefully she reiterates it shortly before election day to stir people into action.
Is it wise to want others to choose based on propaganda instead of fact and reason?
No, but it’s what we get. Reality and what is wise do not often go hand in hand.
Should we attempt to change that or upvote 600 times to propagate the nonsense?
We don’t, this is propaganda
Do you even know what propaganda is?
You know, like Trump basically fabricating Swift’s support though bullshit AI and forcing her hand
Do you even know what propaganda is?
This post: the government giving money to pop artists to make them more famous and to do ads for them, also the government spending millions to advertise in online platforms.
There’s almost 600 upvotes so far. If this is propaganda then that fact speaks for itself.
If you are a fan of this pop celebrity you are most likely a victim of propaganda and marketing.
She’s an incredible singer and dancer. I’ve respect for her talent and hard work. If she ever decides to create content for adults and take some risks in composition then I’d probably even enjoy her music.
But, she’s targeting adolescents and young adults. I agree that the majority are victims or propaganda and marketing.
This sub is propagating that nonsense. That’s not good.
she’s targeting adolescents and young adults.
Sound like their are more of a salesman than an incredible artist. Do you have any videos of their best performances? So far what i’ve seen on youtube is far from incredible.
I’m not sure of what to recommend as I’m not a fan. I’ve only seen a smattering of what was popular over the years. But, I also don’t think it’s difficult to recognize a strong vocalist or dancer. I admit she’s not Whitney or MJ, that “incredible” was exaggeration of my perspective.
I’m also curious. I’d like to see what her fans consider her best.
You don’t have to if you don’t want.
But whether you like it or no rich entertainers like Taylor Swift get lots of media and views. Which parleys into influence and bringing attention to a candidate or an idea.
This is the reason why anyone that wants to grow a brand and/or an idea will try to get a celebrity to endorse it.
Edit: This doesn’t mean they know more than the average joe it’s all about marketing
Why do others assign value to her perspective? Is she especially qualified to decide whom others should vote for?
Your research is all yours to do, and the choice is yours to make.
Swift quote from the article. She is telling people to make their own decisions, whilst announcing her own choice and making no claims about qualifications. What is wrong with this?
What is wrong with this?
Her reasoning isn’t communicated in adequate nuance to earn respect for her perspective. She’s chosen what’s safe, politic, and popular rather than risk what her conscience should tell her is right.
Oh geez, I’m guessing you are the one who knows what’s right and speaks the true wisdom of all our consciences… Let us all bow down in respect to Sir Derpy of the correct nuance
My standards are high relative status quo and average relative very basic moral and ethical analysis. I’ll encourage you to choose to also set a higher standard. As a human you deserve better.
If people used logic, Trump would never have made into politics to begin with.
If the majority was logical then we’d have been revolting for the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the passing of the Interstate Branching and Banking Efficiency Act.
I think it’s far more important to encourage wisdom than pretend to play whack-a-mole with bank-owned politicians.
What do you think?
I’m going to take a stab at interpreting Crashhumbc’s post.
Politics is a popularity contest. You’re imploring Swift to write a fully cited research paper with academic rigor to justify her vote. Most people just go into the ballot box and pick the name that appeals the most to them. You are unrealistic in your evaluation of people, and hold major influencers (aka Celebrities) to standards that nobody else will.
Taylor Swift is a pretty blonde girl with a hot body, and a rocking singing voice and dancing skill to make the most of that hot body. Her original plan was to withhold her voting choice until after the election so she could focus on her current tour and not get right-wing agitators harming her or her fans. But then somebody made a DeepFake of her endorsing Trump, and she had no choice.
She explicitly does not want to tell her fans how to vote. She starts with that, reiterates it throughout her screed, and ends with it. But she makes it clear she’s NOT endorsing Trump, but instead, voting against him.
Will her fans change their votes based on what she’s said she’s going to do? Yes. Unfortunately. They’ll not read the three+ times she says “vote for who you think the best choice is, not who I think the best choice is”, and only see her “I am voting Harris/Walz.” You can’t expect her to be responsible for her fans’ poor choice in decision making, though. She’s not telling you how to vote, and she doesn’t want you to vote with her. That’s a huge part of why she said she’d not release her voting choice ‘until after her tour’ (which ends after the election). Had the Deepfakers not made a video of her endorsing Trump, we’d still probably be guessing at who she supports.
How do you propose we go about changing this? How do we effectively encourage it?
I think that purely logical thought is impossible, and believing we are a logical person can lead us to assume all our opinions are logical, inherently. Which leads to using after the fact logic to justify initial gut reactions. Is that what you mean by wisdom? The ability to understand your own emotional reaction and decide if it’s based on anything useful? Or is it something else?
I think, at this point in time, celebrity culture is important to be aware of. Trump was a reality tv star, after all. I think a better world could be made if society didn’t care about celebrities, but that is not where we live, and observing reality seems an important step to understanding it. And understanding it can help us determine if there is a way to alter this. If that’s the goal. Is that the purpose to your questions?
Now that the main glut of whatever has passed, I want to express that your post above, particularly your question, made my day. It’s perhaps the best question I’ve been asked engaging with .world. Thank you.
How do you propose we go about changing this? How do we effectively encourage it?
You’re witnessing one very small act of praxis right now. But, my best results are always IRL, personal, in a recurring one-on-one or small group discussion. And, I’m not to lead that discussion, instead following where the others lead, the only boundary logical fallacy.
A poor summary would be “Agency at all costs.” But, a good answer to your question would require a very lengthy response. My greatest influence in means is Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire (1968). But, there’s so many good tools, from the New Testament to the emotional delivery of Malcolm X. Being able to adapt is critical. Perhaps most important is to risk making it personal.
Probably because they feel aligned with her values and see her success as an indicator that she is smart. Therefore, she is someone worth emulating.
Does the rich singer and dancer represent her values honestly, is it marketing, or is there some of both? Is it wise to assign her perspective value?
She doesn’t decide who they vote for.
Why does anyone care what a singer and dancer thinks about political representation?
You’re asking more questions in this thread than anyone. I’d be curious why you care so much about who this celebrity endorses. I’m guessing it has more to do with who they endorse than their lack of political background.
I’m guessing it has more to do with who they endorse than their lack of political background.
That’s because it’s convenient and comfortable.
I don’t care what people choose. I only care about the comprehensiveness and quality of their facts and reason.
You’re asking more questions in this thread than anyone.
Isn’t it meritable to ask questions?
Isn’t it meritable to ask questions?
not when your questions amount to “why would people listen to her?!?!” when you know full well why - its the same reason Trump already used AI Taylor Swift to endorse himself.
You write like a freshman who has been enjoying debate club starting back up.
I don’t care what people choose. I only care about the comprehensiveness and quality of their facts and reason.
If you ultimately didn’t care who they choose, and instead just their line of thinking surely you wouldn’t be so riled up by something you knew was coming? The Richest man in the world bought a social media platform that now has a main purpose of getting Trump elected.
Your tired “just asking questions act” would be better suited for Facebook in like 2015
She’s not allowed to or qualified to have an opinion according to you?
My point is that not everyone’s opinion deserves respect.
For example, you’ve resorted to strawman instead of asking a question. It’ll be quite difficult for me to respect anything else you’ve to say on the topic.
Why on Earth would you say that, unless you think your opinion is important and valid and worthy of being heard? Yet you out here arguing other people’s opinions aren’t. Wow, great mind. Cry about strawmen a bit more.
Maybe we don’t, but she’s got a huge fanbase and they probably do.
Just let her and ja rule decide who’s the next president. Why the extra steps?
I’d rather they not vote at all if they’re just basing their choice on what some billionaire entertainer says.
It’s about sending a message, setting a signal. People should think for themselves, I agree, but come on. Do you ignore all other forms of influence people experience or what weird world do you live in?
what weird world do you live in?
The one where shitloads of people let celebrities influence how they think.
I hate to break it to you, but Trump himself was a celebrity turned president. So we’ve no choice but to live in a world where celebrity seems to be important as some kind of qualification. His other qualification was “businessman” aka used-car-salesman.
Why do they assign weight to her perspective?
You could just as well ask why people assign weight to Trump’s perspective, but instead you’re asking about Taylor Swift.
She’s at least as qualified as one of the candidates to have a perspective, and has an edge because she hasn’t bankrupted any casinos, sabotaged a nation’s pandemic response, or raped any kids that I know about. Not that qualification is necessary to have or state a perspective.
I strongly question the judgement of anyone who questions the judgement of someone advising voting against Trump.
She’s at least as qualified as one of the candidates to have a perspective
Your measure of merit is “relative to shit”.
I strongly question the judgement of anyone who questions the judgement of someone advising voting against Trump.
You don’t care for facts and reason, only agreement.
That’s not a perspective that deserves respect.
You have yet to demonstrate any facts or reason.
“Don’t vote for the shit candidate” otoh is reasonable.
“Don’t vote for the shit candidate” otoh is reasonable
I agree. That’s why I won’t vote for Trump, Harris, or anyone else that funds their campaigns with corporate money.
Because they admire her
Is it wise that they assign her perspective value because they admire her ability to sing and dance?
They admire more than that. But, like, there’s an implication in the fact that you are posting on Lemmy that you believe people should assign a nonzero value to your perspective; why is that? I would assume that you make your arguments and believe they have value based on their own merit, regardless of the fact we have no idea who you are. Well, Taylor Swift made a post where she stated her position and gave arguments too. Is there any reason her perspective should not have any value but yours and mine should?
Furthermore, if someone does know who she is and wants to also take into account that they admire her music and songwriting, her personality, her perspective, and/or her various life accomplishments, why shouldn’t they? We’re talking about politics here, where everyone is making it up as they go along. She’s not trying to use her celebrity status to get a paper published in a physics journal or something.
I’ve done little more than ask questions about why someone should respect her political perspective because she’s rich singer and dancer.
Yes, I noticed you were asking that question, hence my reply which took your question into account. If you get a chance, you could try doing the same.
it’s not, but they do anyway
This story has nearly 600 upvotes, so far. Does that imply that we care about winning more than we care about the the wisdom and agency of others?
I care about one thing above everything else – Keeping Donald Trump away from the levers of power. And I have good reasons for this:
- My wife is a Black bisexual Goth Pagan. That’s at least three hates from Team Trump.
- I have Student Loans. I can repay them at 5% of my income, but 10% will become too much of a burden. And I’d really like to get my 120 payments in to get the rest wiped out.
- I care about the future of the planet. Having a guy raging against Solar and Wind for stupid made up reasons in office doesn’t support that goal.
- I care about keeping Russia out of Ukraine and Israel out of Palestine. While I also care about keeping Hamas out of Israel, I think Trump is bad for ALL those goals.
And that’s just the short list.
I support Biden and his successor Harris on the merits, too. The Chips Act is a great win for really getting microchips made in the US. Biden’s done a damn good job on investing in US infrastructure, which is an important thing to me. His attempts to deal with Student Loans are a big part of why I have stopped taking night classes and reentered repayment. And he’s doing a damn fine job overall. But again. My goal above all other goals is keeping Trump away from the White House.
- A vote for RFK Jr. is not going to accomplish this. Not only is he an anti-evidence candidate pushing BS conspiracy theory positions and only a few steps to the left of Trump et al, he’s also not going to win, and the most he could do is poach enough left-leaning votes with his last name to get Trump in office.
- A vote for Jill Stein is not going to accomplish this. Not only is she a sycophant for Putin and a peddler of disinformation herself (reasons alone to vote against her), her position as an alternative to the Mainstream Left-Most candidate is just another way to steal enough left-wing votes to … get Trump into office.
- A vote for Cornel West is not going to accomplish this. While I admire the man, the reality is that he doesn’t have enough access to have even a remote chance of winning the Presidency, and his run only ensures that votes that would have gone to Harris end up going to him, lowering the threshold at which Trump can steal the Presidency…getting Trump into office.
- Staying home is not going to accomplish this. All it does is lowers Harris’ vote count, making it easier for Trump to steal the Presidency…getting Trump into office.
My goal is to ensure my Black bisexual goth pagan wife doesn’t get ground under the bootheels of Trumpian Authoritarianism. One of the ways I do this is by debunking posts like this. I don’t care about winning. I care about Trump losing. And I don’t see wisdom here. I see…well, Rule 3 so I can’t say what I exactly see here, but it’s not wisdom or any of its synonyms. I see a willing dismissal of truth here, a poster arguing to give the election to Trump because the Democratic candidate isn’t EXACTLY what they demanded. And agency? Pal, nobody’s holding a gun to your head and saying you MUST vote Harris. Do any of the options I mentioned above, or go ahead and vote Trump, or any other silly ‘protest’ vote you want. We’re just here saying that you’re gonna get Trump for all of us and screw over a whole bunch of people you claim to support.
yes
Curious are you a Russian or Chinese agent? Which one pays you better?
Cult of personality vs cult of personality.
Yep that’s how humans work
Now the Biden administration needs to follow through and declare election day a federal holiday.
Isn’t that power assigned to Congress?
Average Americans and thinking the President is all-powerful, name a more iconic duo.
Average americans and thinking that a national holiday means anything. I’ve worked the majority of the holidays for the past 10 years. They don’t even count for overtime unless the policies (sort of contract) of the employer state they do.
Yes, it happens, but the majority of American workers still had Labor Day off this year.
It would have a measurable impact on voter turnout.
The people who can get holidays off are generally the people who have the means to vote otherwise.
Until the last few years, the only time I had holidays off were if I could get someone to switch with me, meaning at least someone was working that day.
Labor day didn’t mean shit to me working at fast food, and retail has sales instead of closing.
Walmart ain’t closed on labor day and neither is McDonald’s.
That’s the first and second largest employers in the world, not respecting the holiday literally made for their employees.
Yeah, I sorta think people who have to work on Labor Day might eclipse people with office jobs.
True, however worst thing they could do is impeach him and make Kamala President.
So I’m going to go out on a limb and say this debate went better for Dems. Bold, I know.
Seriously, though. Wow. At least I’ll be able to sleep tonight.
