It wouldn’t be fair to have your felony conviction negatively impact your opportunities. This is how justice works right?
Fuck that orange felon, what trash
Shouldn’t being a convicted felon affect one’s candidacy?
Should the US government also pay candidates to have aesthetic surgeries? Being ugly might affect their candidacy!
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This is an astounding level of bullshit even from a country that gives its full throated support to anyone with a net worth in the 7 figures or greater.
A million bucks isn’t worth a million bucks anymore. $1,000,000 might net you $75,000 in yearly interest, before taxes. What kind of purchasing power is that going to be at retirement?
It’s ok. I’ll take that pesky $1,000,000 and earn that paltry $75,000 in annual interest for doing nothing. It’s ok. I’ll allieviate you from the stress of thinking how worthless it is to you. Yes, I’ll allow that.
People with your financial sophistication will be eating cat food out a can at 75. Good luck with those pesky numbers.
Please direct me to these ez pz 7.5% returns.
Probably not what you are looking for (with the limits and terms), but you get the idea.
FWIW, retirement studies would suggest a 4% withdrawal rate the first year, and increasing for inflation each year after. There are some other ways to go with this, but it’s a good starting place.
FWIW, retirement studies would suggest a 4% withdrawal rate the first year, and increasing for inflation each year after. There are some other ways to go with this, but it’s a good starting place.
A worker earning $33 an hour wouldn’t make $75,000 a year.
The millionaires are fine.
You know how much insurance costs on a Ferrari?
…/s. Any Replacements fans out there?
$33/hr. was an unimaginable amount of money to me in 1998. What’s that look like when I can’t work anymore, say in 2040? How about when a loaf of bread goes from $.50 to $5.50? That’s how I know you’re a child.
Oh, did I say $33/hr? Oops, I meant $36/hr.
$36 an hour × 40 hours × 52 weeks = $74,880
Such unmitigated fermented fucking bullshit. The courts are an absolute disgrace.
This isn’t a verdict, it is sentencing. He has already been found guilty. If the sentence matches what others have gotten for the same crimes, there is no bias.
By failing to do so, he has at best delayed justice, and if Trump should win, has essentially nullified the jury’s verdict.
This feels reminiscent of Camu’s “The Guest.” The judge was given a job to do, and by waiting until the hard decision solves itself without his involvement, now all sides will feel this judge is a traitor.
I think the idea is that on sentencing they’re just going to take him into custody so they don’t want to give him the “election interference!” out.
I thought general consensus is he isn’t realistically looking at jail time for this?
I don’t ever expect him to actually be held accountable, sadly. I just want to see the justice system actually functioning in a way that protects this country as a whole. Trump did a ton of damage personally to this country, but to see the entire court system, the only thing we have to stave off change through less civil means, is a pure joke is the greater tragedy for me.
We could always theorize the laws and voting and our representatives would prevent something like this former presidency from ruining our country, but what have we seen but paper tigers?
I think his crimes hold a maximum of 4 years in prison. But not a single person charged for them the first time has gotten prison time and usually get probabtion and a fine.
Nobody else has his track record for repeatedly breaking laws though. His organization is criminal. His CFO has already done time twice. So did the lawyer representing him in this literal affair.
If Michael Cohen did time for the same crimes, Trump will do time for ordering Cohen to commit the crimes.
Will it be the maximum of 4 years? Likely not. And he’ll do whatever is necessary to not serve the full time, whatever it is.
You’re correct on all those points.
The take by the legal experts back while the trial was ongoing all said with no priors and it being nonviolent crime that none of them expected him to see prison.
But if we never get him convicted of any crimes, it won’t matter very much.
But if we never get him convicted of any crimes, it won’t matter very much.
Texhnicslly, if we never see him sentenced for his convictions it won’t matter. He has 34 convictions.
If there’s no sentence, was there a point to a trial?
This whole circus is held up on the fact the Supreme Court is entertaining the idea that any of the things he’s charged with (or convicted of) can pass as him doing the job he was elected to do.
If he wins, this sentencing date will never come, and neither will any of the others. His acts will be officially sanctioned, and the only ones being sentenced will be us.
I agree completely, just wanted to make sure it was clear that he has been convicted.
This judge is a traitor
While I am not a defender of Trump, I think this decision is largely reasonable. It’s essentially punting sentencing to the court of public opinion. That’s the ultimate “justice”.
Here’s the thing, he’s already convicted of the crimes. The voting public knows this. If the voting public still votes him in , they’re essentially saying they’re okay with the crimes he’s committed. You really can’t get a better court of public opinion than a national election like this.
What does public opinion have to do with law? That’s not how the justice system works. Convictions mean nothing without sentencing. This only further erodes people’s faith in the system. This decision is nothing but cowardice.
The court system is loosely based on public opinion. Since it’s unreasonable to gather the public’s opinion, a jury is selected to represent “the public”.
In this case, the election essentially allows you to get the actually public’s opinion. You literally cant get closer to true “court of public opinion” that having a nationwide vote on a recently convicted individual candidacy.
That’s a bit of a stretch. A jury adheres closely to the facts, is educated about the relevant subjects, and there are penalties for unreasonable behavior. “Public opinion” does not override anything. It is not okay to break the law just because a cult disagrees or doesn’t care. They can vote for change to the laws, but until they are actually changed everyone must follow them.
This only further erodes people’s faith in the system.
It’s sure as fuck eroding mine!
Is that not mob justice?
Have we not seen the Russian funding of right wing networks and the seizing of disinformation websites this week?
Not everyone votes or can really give an informed vote.
If Trump wins, do we accept he’s now unpunishable for his crimes? If the voting majority supported him, do the rest of us suffer his promised revenge on his critics?
This is why we have a legal system supposedly. We have people who are supposed to enforce laws impartially and in a timely manner. The right to a speedy and fair trial, for both the plaintiffs and defendants. Justice delayed is justice denied.
I don’t want a bunch of biased legal know nothings determining justice. That’s some warlord stuff.
Laws are also supposed to protect from the tyranny of the majority as well. It’s also supposed to protect the powerless from overstepping authority, like a rogue president.
I’m no fan of lawyers, cops, or legislators, but I certainly don’t want to live in a place with no law.
Unless you forget an /s, I feel this is a bad take.
No, it’s not mob justice.
Generally, “unfair justice”, like mob justice is assessed by undue, unjust, or extreme punishment. Lack of punishment is not “unfair justice”. The US goes as fair to explicitly ban “double jeopardy” as it does not want “innocent “ people to face undue hardship.
In this case, the possible punishment is 100% within the legal system. At worst, trump receives the same punishment as any other criminal convicted of the same crimes. At best, Trump receives a lighter punishment as the result of the election. There is nothing undue or just about a lighter punishment.
Mob justice is a problem as it doesn’t allow for due process and proper representation. The “convicted” often ends up with non-reversible punishment (like mutilation or death) based on arbitrary “mobs”. Since the only outcome here is a reduced sentence, there isn’t an argument for mob justice.
TLDR: mob justice and similar “undue trials” really only care about wrongful convictions. Wrongful “not guilty” decision are not a “problem”
That is absolutely mob justice. You’re outsourcing the decision to the mob. People who aren’t privy to what happened in court, to the evidence, to anything. In fact, you’re disregarding actual justice, that has reached a verdict, and replacing it with the opinion of the ill informed mob. That’s the mobbest justice to ever mob.
Welp, when he loses, hopefully they throw the book at him, and then he runs to Russia, proving once and for all what he really is.
Don’t forget sending that judge along with him.
Shower of bastards
This is for the best, there would have been even no end of trouble if he wasn’t able to run for election because he was sent to jail or whatever.
It looks like Trump is almost certainly going to lose the election and when he does he’s going to jail. It’ll make November even more fun.
if he wasn’t able to run for election because he was sent to jail
That wouldn’t legally prevent him from running—Eugene Debs ran for president while in prison for protesting WWI.
It looks like Trump is almost certainly going to lose the election and when he does
he’s going to jail.they’ll overturn the results and refuse to certify in important states that they already have control over.Fixed a slight mistake. :(
As much as I don’t want to agree, I partially do agree with your first statement and hope (regardless of how little faith I have in the justice system) that they are intentionally doing this so they can let the can of worms open if he loses and then take every single person they can down with him when they try to derail the results and attempt a 2nd coup.
It would be the icing on the cake, like you lost and you made a second attempt at it, there’s no fucking back tracking and now we have even more people that came out of the woods to help you and we are going to take you all down.
They could put him in jail now, but corruption is rampant, but maybe (sliver of hope) there is some quiet digging of graves for these people to fall into.
It looks like Trump is almost certainly going to lose the election and when he does he’s going to jail.
Ankle bracelet at worst, more likely an easy for him to pay fine. Trump is never going to spend a day in prison, mark my words. And if I’m wrong I’ll celebrate along with everyone else about it.
I hope you are correct.
A jail sentence would make him a martyr and boost his fundraising.
Just an excuse to avoid actually holding him accountable for anything.
Putting his ass in jail might harden his base but turn off those who were only party loyal out of tradition and might throw away their vote to a 3rd party. Hell, it might motivate more people to overcome voter suppression and vote for Dems if the system actually does something to hold him accountable. Increased turnout is more important than how hard conservatives mash the Trump button.
It looks like Trump is almost certainly going to lose the election
Hilary was actually leading by roughly the same amount in 2016 by this point in the election campaign…
Hilary was actually leading by roughly the same amount in 2016 by this point in the election campaign…
Harris is doing much better if your metric is performance in battleground states…
Maybe popular nationwide polls are similar, I wouldn’t know, those are pointless so I don’t look at them.
Like, Hillary kept acting like she was going to win, but the numbers always showed the battlegrounds were too close, and while trump campaigned there, she kept doing fundraisers and victory laps in Cali.
Didnt take a genius to realize if one side stops running in a close race, the slower runner could win.
Merchan has put the onus on the electorate. We, the American electorate must assure that 11/26 comes AND trump the citizen, unemployed by the government in any office, is sentenced for his felonious crime, for which he was convicted in May of 2024. This is the only way in which justice will be served.
This is the right answer. I’m pissed but even more motivated to make the ballot his sentencing.
Let me know how I vote even harder than I was already planning to vote. I’m really curious.
Even though the delay itself feels like a crime, I agree that voters giving Republicans a clear trouncing this November will accelerate their irrelevance, and make more severe Trump’s sentence. If clear enough, the entire house of cards could come tumbling down.
If clear enough, the entire house of cards could come tumbling down.
OR, since we’ve once again given special legal protections to the rich and powerful, no matter how repugnant, providing another example of how our justice system works so very differently when you aren’t one of the little guys, Trump gets elected, then there’s the whole “ZOMG but now he’s president-elect” pearl clutching and hand wringing that causes further delays, then he’s inaugurated, and then I eventually get to die of old age with a dictator in charge while watching my country slowly morph into something like a mix of Gilead and the German-occupied former-US from Man in the High Castle.
Merchan has put the onus on the electorate.
Yeah, to go to his house with torches and pitchforks and run him out of town on a rail for not doing his goddamn job!
And, I think it’s largely a reasonable decision.
This election is the ultimate court of public opinion.
And when he’s elected, he’ll change the law in his favour. I know, he can’t do everything he wishes, but he could probably make it better for himself. VOTE!
He will continue to shit all over the world and get away with it. Absolute insanity. Anyone else on the street would get put away tomorrow and forever.
Sounds like a fuckton of bias to me.
“Justice delayed is justice denied”
