Edited to replace original incorrect Herzog attribution with my own version that correctly attributes the quote
This has been reported for violating rule 2: “No misinformation”, as the quote was misattributed.
The full rule:
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
OP admitted they didn’t double check the author of the quote. This means it was not intentional.
Leaving it up.
not a good reason to leave it up. Think about the precedent that sets.
…the precedent that people are allowed to make minor mistakes? Gasp THE HORROR
Seriously, this mistake isn’t a big deal, no intentional misdirection and in any case, the quote is more important for conversation than the actual author.
I think the objection here is that it creates a massive loophole: Intentionally post misinformation, claim you thought it was legitimate. Repeat until you stop getting the benefit of the doubt, start over with a new account, repeat ad infinitum.
I’m not sure what the best solution is, but I think we at least need some kind of very clear notice, on the feed page and not just in the comments, that the content is proven to be factually incorrect.
I think the point is it’s factually incorrect about the least significant fact.
If it’s more serious misinformation, it probably warrants taking down the post, even if unintentional. The nuance would then be that genuine error doesn’t immediatly warrant banning, even if the post is taken down.
This one is a mild and unintentional case with little implications either way. If someone were to cite this as “But this one you left up!” as excuse for a different, more severe case, the mods would justifiably say that it doesn’t apply.
Besides, it’s not like setting a precedent is as serious for community mods as it is for courts of law - mods can change the rules when a situation arises that warrants it and enforce them accordingly, make one-off decisions for special cases or admit a previous decision was a mistake and generally have more leeway.
Think about the precedent that pulling down discussions wholesale because some inconsequential detail about them is wrong sets.
It wasn’t intentional, FFS. I hate this place so much.
wait. You saw this comment, and reported it anyways?
I’ll just make a new one (this isn’t oc) when I get home but that’ll be 10h at least. It’s OK to nuke this since it is sorta misinfo, although I didn’t know it when I posted it
Nah. That would nuke all the back-and-forth found here. I’d rather keep the discussion up.
I have a deep appreciate for this level of discernment. Moderating posts and their discussions in good-faith and abiding by the spirit/intention of the rules instead of strict enforcement by letter fosters community trust and makes it more difficult to argue against removals/bans when they do happen.
Thanks for volunteering and keeping the lights on.
See he should have attributed that quote to Julius Caesar, then it would be considered humor and not misinformation.
JFC just enjoy the meme.
Should I make a new rule that all quotes must be attributed to Oscar the Grouch? I will, either way.
“All quotes must be attributed to Oscar the Grouch.”
- Oscar the Grouch
This sounds like if someone just said they didn’t know it was bs, it’s a get out of jail free card.
It’s gruesome, isn’t it? When I was young, I used to believe that people were, for the most part, decent. Misled, often, stupid, very often; but good at heart. Now, I’m convinced that a good third of our society is broken and a third of our society is blind to anything that doesn’t affect them.
Our politics as of late indicate to me that people of good heart will now kill you for their dear leader.
I actually originally dug this picture up for a post of this RawStory article titled ‘Their ignorance is willful’: WaPo analyst says enough with the MAGA voter pity, which is highly relevant.
The problem with the majority of right wing extremists isn’t that they’re just stupid misled bumpkins, but that they’re actual psychopaths who vote for people like Trump because he’s promising to hurt everybody they hate
I’m convinced that we’ve lost, at minimum, 20% of our nation to some kind of mass-hysteria style sociopathy. I mean, maybe they’ve always been lost and we just didn’t realize it, but going forward, I don’t think anything can be done to ‘fix’ them. Most people, I think, are responsive to their environments and social standards, but after a point, you get so dug in that peer pressure doesn’t work, even on social animals like us. All we can do is save the children of that 20%.
We could start by addressing the actual causes of conditions of despair.
It’s the same with conservatives pretty much around the world right now.
I really don’t know how we’re going to unfuck the situation without a lot of bloodshed – and make no mistake, it would be them who spill that blood like they’re already doing, just at a much larger scale. As it is, conservatives are a threat to stable and peaceful societies, and due to their resistance to meaningful climate action they’re an existential threat to humanity in general.
I have some hope, at least. People in general are passive, even when they hate the status quo, they often cede to a fait accompli. The trick is getting each bit a done deal before conservative talking heads have time to formulate the best Pavlovian Ten Minutes’ Hate for their audience.
And making sure the kids continue to be alright.
It starts with us not engaging in the same thing.
I think what happened is that it became more acceptable to show their nastiness; that they used to have to hide it because our society wouldn’t accept it. Then Trump being elevated to president normalized the violence and hatred being out in the open and those people felt safe to come out of the woodwork.
I feel like it was always there, simmering beneath the surface, but I’m a self-admitted (overall) misanthrope who thinks most people are, on average, pretty shitty.
None of what you describe is necessarily mutually exclusive. You can be broken, misled, misinformed, and stupid, while still being good at heart.
I think that everyone is blind to something. Some of us are less so than others. Growing up in this world will do that to a person. Shit happens to everybody. Some of us are better equipped than others to handle it, while others are not.
None of what you describe is necessarily mutually exclusive. You can be broken, misled, misinformed, and stupid, while still being good at heart.
Yes, but the issue is that they’re broken, misled, misinformed, stupid, AND malicious.
I think that everyone is blind to something. Some of us are less so than others. Growing up in this world will do that to a person. Shit happens to everybody. Some of us are better equipped than others to handle it, while others are not.
I would ascribe that intermittent blindness more to the other ~80% of the population.
We are blind too. It’s just that the things we were raised to believe but don’t realize aren’t petty and mean.
How your raise kids matters.
For instance, most of the people who are atheists in the west argue for a set of beliefs that perfectly aligns with protestism without God. It is baked into every lesson they were taught as a kid.
It takes a lot of work to keep your heart from hardening in this world but it is work worth doing.
For me the jury is still out.
“10 percent of any population is cruel, no matter what, and 10 percent is merciful, no matter what, and the remaining 80 percent can be moved in either direction.” -Susan Sontag
We’re all just reeling from traumatic experience to traumatic experience. We don’t get any real time to slow down and heal, so emotions from one trauma show up in other unrelated problems. People become a bull in a china shop, hit someone else, who then becomes another bull in said china shop, they hit a few more, who then in turn become more bulls, so to anyone in the china shop that hasn’t been hit yet, it all seems chaotic and evil. We’re all just deeply traumatized with no avenue for healing.
Anyway, vote for Hindenburg.
if it makes you feel any better you were wrong and it was always fucked up. the difference between now and when you were wrong is that you’re more aware now.
Oh yeah, I’m not saying I think society has changed for the worse. It’s definitely just that my eyes are open now.
i dont think it was always fucked up, there was always some amount of fucked up, but there’s vastly more amounts of fucked up now.
compared to what time? Tulsa massacre? jim crow? pre suffrage? slavery?
those are specific selections of fucked up ness in society. At some point that was considered to societal norm, people pushed outside of it, as the government and society intends to happen, shit gets goofy, eat sleep repeat and gay people are normal now.
we’re also talking about a specific problem in politics, manifested in a very specific way today, that wouldn’t have been possible merely 20 years ago, so i think it’s fair to treat this like a sort of historically true fact.
unless you’re trying to argue that humanity has been a constant state of bad throughout it’s entire history, which i doubt, and also changes from person to person. It’s not really relevant to go that far back i think.
they’re not selections in the cherry picking sense; the country’s history is a constant stream of oppression and political violence.
only one of them is a specific event, but i pointed it out it was particularly fucked up. but the rest aren’t specific at all; they’re entire periods of time where the “fucked up” was the norm, and the law.
i don’t exactly understand what you think we’re talking about. you say it’s a “specific problem” but didn’t specify it really. so i don’t know what’s supposedly impossible merely 20 years ago.
but merely 20 years ago gays couldn’t marry. 20 some years before that the AIDS epidemic was ignored because the government thought it was a gay problem and didn’t care.
there was always oppression and there still is. the orange cunt didn’t invent anything. he just started saying the quiet part out loud.
the country’s history is a constant stream of oppression and political violence.
this would be applicable to the entire history of the human race as well.
i don’t exactly understand what you think we’re talking about. you say it’s a “specific problem” but didn’t specify it really. so i don’t know what’s supposedly impossible merely 20 years ago.
i’m talking about the fascist conservatism problem, and the specific ways in which it’s being empowered. Something like this has literally never happened before, hitler being the closest thing, arguably. But that was before the modern era and now we have so many more avenues for social control and influence than with hitler.
there was always oppression and there still is.
i don’t disagree, i just think in this specific aspect (politics) it’s gotten substantially worse since the early oughts.
The specific mechanism of the problem is brand new and very hard to deal with, which compounds with the problem.
this would be applicable to the entire history of the human race as well.
irrelevant, as we’re talking about US history, not world history. you’re the one saying we’re in worse times than before and I’m asking when that was.
i disagree that fascism wasn’t a serious problem before, i just think they’re more comfortable with visibility today thanks to the orangutan leatherface. if you mean this to be the specific mechanism, okay, but i don’t know if it’s really worse than the insidious cryptofascism doing the same shit but with masks and dog whistles instead.
As far as stability, and the shaking of this country from a NATO sided democracy to a BRICS sided dictatorship? Yeah, I’d say it’s right up there if it does happen.
Many of them are misled. You can be born into a completely alternate reality with the way conservative culture has been cutting itself off from news and media.
It was a strange feeling when I reached an age and realized that most people I know didn’t meet the standards of what I thought should be a good person.
Good people make mistakes, often repeatedly. Great people eventually learn something.
The problem mostly aren’t the individuals. Human normally are nice.
These are processes started by psychopaths using the heard instinct for their plans.
Most individuals are nice, groups of people on the other hand can never be trusted.
Gonna have to disagree with you there. Individuals are good are pretending they’re nice. The number of people who are horrifying when they think it’s safe to let their mask down around you is… concerning.
Not even kidding, about a year and a half ago, I took a job in a different department at work, and within 10 minutes, the guy that I was training with, had said 3 offensive slurs within the first 10 minutes of meeting the guy. Like dude, I could go to HR right now and you’d be gone in another 10 minutes. Wtf? In 2023? I mean, the guy was 71 years old, so I kinda gave him a pass on doing that, which kinda gives me the ick, but still. I didn’t turn him in because they basically built the building around where this guy happened to be standing and got offered the job the day it opened up. Another guy, whose only 38 and should know better though actually did get a 30 day suspension for repeated racist remarks. He’s actually a smart guy but he’s been mislead. Not a very nice guy, but smart.
Note:
He never said that. This quote is from William Pannapacker, a professor of American literature at Hope College in Holland, Michigan.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/werner-herzog-germany-quote/
It’s nice to imagine Werner’s voice saying it though
It’s nice to imagine him saying anything at all…dude could brutally roast me and I’d be like that was beautiful sir.
Ah, figures. I should know better than to post quotes without checking if they’re attributed correctly
You should probably correct it right? Like swap the image for a different Herzog quote, or change it so the image is William
That is very doable
keep all text, including the misattribution to william herzog and substitute a portrait of william shatner.
I immediately thought that doesn’t sound like something Herzog would say.
Ah, figures. I should know better than to post quotes without checking if they’re attributed correctly
Why don’t you correct it then? (Eg, either delete your post, or replace the linked image with an updated one that attributes the quote correctly.)
This isn’t facebook; please don’t post years-old misattributed quote memes.
Would have cost you exactly 0 € to not be a cunt, but here you are.
I didn’t correct it because I was away from my computer for an extended period – the current version has a different image and is correctly attributed. I didn’t delete it because then the existing conversation in the comments would have also gotten nuked, exactly the same reason the mod didn’t delete it either.
“Ah, figures. I should know better than to post quotes without checking if they’re attributed correctly”
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Wayne Gretzky- Michael Scott
Huge fan of your style. This cements that even further.
wow
Audibly laughed!
I need this as a t-shirt for the next concert I go to.
This is how you remind me?
This is wow you remind me
Look at this photograph.
Every time I do it; makes me laugh!
Oh, by the way thanks for that comment the other day!
Anytime 🫶🏻
It’s like a free ride when you’ve already paid AM I DOING THIS RIGHT
All of the boys and all of the girls are begging to if you seek Amy.
It’s like rain, on your karma train.
That’s my favourite Dr. Who quote
Maybe just a third of him said that…?
So like contextually it’s a provocative statement. But it feels really weird and downright dishonest to use the cloak of ‘parody’ in this case.
When Michael Moore fans gain one (1) IQ point, they move on to Herzog.
Do you have an actual point, or… you know what? Nevermind.
I’m pretty sure the intended point was, “Werner Herzog is somewhat overrated as a documentarian, yet still slightly more sophisticated than Michael Moore.”
Frederick Wiseman is the only documentarian worth watching
🤢
A solid counterpoint. I hadn’t considered that aspect
Yeah, you saw a quote not even correctly attributed to him but your only comment is how any fans of his work are idiots.
Werner Herzog’s “Aguirre: the Wrath of God” is on !fullmoviesonyoutube@lemm.ee here: https://lemmy.world/post/17030774
I would watch ahah. Get a taste of your medecine, bitches
So do the other 2/3 come together to do the killing? What’s the answer Werner?!
Education
You throw the crib door wide, and let the people come inside. Then you give them a rock to wind a piece of string around. Because everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around.
This sounds like a brand new record! For 1990!
The .00001 left over is who is running the show
Is anyone new waking up?!
Ive beenvaccused of being woke, does that count?
I’ve been accused of being everything; from an autocrat to a commie, left wing to right wing, liberal to conservative, bigot to bleeding heart, I’ve been called snowflake by both sides. People are fucking crazy and have even crazier ideas. It all just depends on the specific crazy that belongs to the person you’re talking to atm. I’m pretty far left, but there’s people left of me that think I’m basically Nicki Haley.
I think you are an amazing person, P00ptart 💝
I’m waking up with sam harris. does that count?
Not yet, waiting for September to end.
No 1/4 to that 1/3 either
did this guy just call me woke? I ain’t no lib!
Nah, ain’t no one woke up to anything. Every decade proves that human beings are capable of bad shit. Even those you would consider good, are going to have dark thoughts about someone or something. I guarantee you that there’s some hidden darkness in Mr. Rogers, Levar Burton, and Bob Ross that never got revealed. Probably stuff they never even told another person. There exist people who know they are capable of really bad shit and have enough forethought to keep it inside them.
I take it as a wild ride to know that while I may not be the smartest or any kind of -est, that I have enough awareness to know that blind anger will never lead any place good. It may get results and even last centuries, but it’s a hollow victory. Along a long enough time line, the victims are likely to become the oppressors. The watchers become the watched. And, the powerful become weak.
This guy smokes weed.
Is this a reference to the ongoing genocide in palestine?
I think it’s about the general air of fascism and political violence from said fascists.
Germans are waking up to that as well at the moment.
I’m pretty sure Germany’s been stuck in a temporal loop since the 1300s.
I’ve been awake for a while and have been forced to watch the slow move towards it over the decades.
Good thing there’s always nature to take your mind off the topic of totally preventable tragedies caused by profit seeking and complacency.
