Reason for this meme is that some ubisoft titles are shipped with a broken version of ubisoft connect launcher. Installing these games is only possible by running the installer for the launcher again via protontricks.
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What about Steam? Linux gaming would be a whole lot worse off without Proton
Some people hate it, including some independent developers. I wouldn’t mind going without it, if there was a Free Software library management alternative. I want something to track what I have installed (because I’ve “lost” things and reinstalled them before) and something that has a decent uninstall.
I also get some benefit from the store integration, but I can understand developers being annoyed at the 30% “steam tax”. I’d gladly purchase using some other method, if I didn’t have to sacrifice library functions from previous paragraph.
Steam has an effective monopoly on open, marketplace-style launchers. EGS is their only real competitor and everyone hates it. GOG is years behind the curve and Amazon’s launcher barely exists. At this point in time, Steam is hardly considered third-party since it’s so ubiquitous.
Steam is the first party launcher as far as most of us are concerned. When another company puts their game on Steam but makes it go through their own launcher first, that is third party in our perspective and is a source of a lot of games not working.
Steam is fine in my book. And I understand why it isn’t open source with how much it’s worth.
I could make another meme “Linux Gaming without Valve and Steam”, but it would have another picture on it…
It’s my observation that Valve has earned the trust of the linux gaming community and therefore is the one and only acceptable proprietary launcher.
and therefore is the one and only acceptable proprietary launcher.
Yep! But that’s only until they decide to enshitify, which they (Valve) will, because they (the humans making the correct choices today) will sell or retire.
Now, if proton could be used outside if steam…
This used to be possible, but isn’t anymore. Source: the author of lutris
Oh nice, didnt know that. Thanks for the info!
Huh? That’s quite interesting.
I’ve been running a hacked-together script which uses a disembodied copy of Proton 8 (aka. copied to a portable drive, doesn’t need to have Steam installed to run) to launch my games from Itch and GoG.
Hmm, just tried to use Proton 9.0-2 and the current experimental in my steamapps (which appears to be version 9.0-202), and it works just fine. Though, I guess Lutris’ implementations are quite a bit more advanced than my hacks (no debugging let’s goooo).
A very simplified version of my script, for those who might be interested: pastebin.com/kbNNvzAx. Don’t forget to uncomment
game_exeand set it to your executable - won’t work otherwise.Also, pinging @DacoTaco@lemmy.world in case of interest.
His version works though. I use Lutris for everything that isn’t on steam or is a windows program, and it works great.
linuxgaming without 3rd party launchers.Funnily the first time I tried Linux on my desktop was because I wanted to play BF4 but the EA App refused to launch on Windows 10 even after restarting/reinstalling everything.
I slapped Pop_OS on a backup SSD and got it running through Lutris within the hour.
Origin was a fucking nightmare to use even on Windows, and honestly…the EA desktop app wasn’t really an improvement.
Origin was better in literally every way, but it’s predecessor, the EA Download Manager, was even better, as it wasn’t an always-online DRM piece of shit. You logged in, it listed your games, it downloaded them, and games still used a CD key.
Though I’m still pissy, as I bought NFS Carbon and obtained it via EADM, but when they moved to Origin, existing games didn’t transfer, and there was no way to grab games for archival. So EA owes me a fucking copy of Carbon, since I didn’t have it installed when they sunset EADM.
Fuck you, EA. In every conceivable sense of the word and action.
Just slap the “Linux” onto any post and immediately get more upvotes on Lemmy.
Lemme try this
upvotes Linux meme
Also it’s a Linux community this was posted to.
Well, not exactly to be honest. You’ll still have a lot more problems than gaming on Windows due to fragmentation.
But, if your distribution system is purely flatpak, then yes, it should be smooth.
You’re right. It’s just frustrating that most games could run better (or at all) if publishers paid just a little bit of attention.
The majority of the issues I have with WoW on Linux are because of the battle.net launcher. If they added the game to Steam, I’m sure I wouldn’t have any issues.
Oof, wow doesn’t work properly? That’s sad, out of curiosity, how you name adds ons? Install/download them manually?
It works, it’s just flakey to get battle.net started sometimes.
Add-ons can be managed by either wowup or the curseforge client. I prefer the former since it can install from other sources too.
Weakauras can be updated with both the weakauras companion and wago companion app.
Warcraft logs and raider.io also have Linux clients that can be used.
Wouldn’t that be first party launchers?
i think you might be misunderstanding what ‘3rd party’ means. if ubisoft is making you use an ubisoft launcher to run ubisoft games, that’d be first party. here’s an article detailing what the terms mean with regards to game developers. a third party launcher would be like when you add a non-steam game to steam.
Mandatory first party launchers?
Third partyproprietary game launchers.so like steam?
Yes.
What if i want to play the original portal game on a pc that cannot have internet? Steam does not allow me to download a straight installer, its a license with a long list of acceptable and non acceptable uses.
Don’t get me wrong i love valve and what they have done for gaming as a concept, as a linux i would not Be able to game as i do if it was not for proton.
But if i purchase a game i demand to own my copy.
I actually have a database where i keep pirate and cracked copies of games i own legit licenses because i refuse to have my rights limited simply because of the possibility of a victimless crime where checks note some big corp gets slightly less profit.
All games should be available standalone.
And while, am speaking my software opinions
If i buy a game license on one system it should cover that game all other platforms and systems. No more buying the same game twice just to play on different hardware. (This makes less sense if its a dedicated copy and not a license though)
All software from hardware that is no longer receiving support must be open sourced, i am looking at you near mint first gen ipad mini. I die before you end on a landfill in such good state.
Don’t get me wrong i love valve and what they have done for gaming as a concept, as a linux i would not Be able to game as i do if it was not for proton.
If I’m reading you right, you’re saying you couldn’t play those games without steam because of proton? If that’s what you’re getting at, if you take your copies obtained from the high seas, you should be able to play them through lutris. It works for me.
Oh no worries, i am technical and autistic enough to setup systems that will serve my actual needs, regardless of economic/industry expectations.
Lutrius is great but i prefer Heroic game launcher, it can do the same but does also provides convenient acces to gog, epic and amazon licenses. I am only storing backup copies of games if i actually find it worth it to keep them, and i acquired a lot of mediocre titles over the years.
I also do still do use steam with little hate towards it there own implementation of proton is hard to beat in its reliance. I have yet to find a single game within my steam library that fails to work properly on arch.
Doesn’t stop me from working on my own alternative local game server parallel to it, Mhehehehe
Regardless i still feel like i should just be able to legally download some standalone offline installer from a website for later use. Especially for older games that used to have physical copies. whether or not my system can run that installer as it is, is morally irrelevant.
I dunno, I tend to think of the useless thing that comes up for a game I bought on Steam and run through Steam to be “third party”… Maybe that’s a stretch, but whatever, it’s just unwanted and unnecessary at that point
Steam is a launcher.
Yes, the launcher I use for almost all my games which gives me a single interface to install, update, and run them. It has purpose. It’s the launcher I’m actually intending to use.
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atsAssgames (as one example) loading up their own launcher in the middle of that and providing no actual benefit other than wasting my time and resources is NOT something I choose to use.Whichever one is primary or third party, I don’t really care about the semantics of it, but the extra launcher that isn’t needed or wanted is what I think of when someone’s talking about third party launchers.
I’m just saying, there is a clear double standard in this post/comment section in general where Valve gets a pass.
I don’t think it’s entirely a double standard. Yes Steam is still a launcher, but it’s also the marketplace I buy my games. If I bought a game on Origin or UPlay, and then Steam popped up when I was trying to play my game, that would still be bullshit.
Perhaps because Steam is the launcher we actually choose to use? That does make a big difference…
I’m a fan of Steam. People will complain about monopolies but then want there to be a monopoly for this kind of software.
How to play Ubisoft games without the Ubisoft Launcher:
Step 1) If you’re an EU citizen, sign this petition: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
If you are not in the EU, you can check if there are any other initiatives for your country here: https://www.stopkillinggames.com/
Step 2) (Due to insurmountable pressure, which you definitely did your part in adding to, video games are now forced to have an end-of-life plan.
Step 3) Wait until the game you want to play without the Ubi Launcher hits its end-of-life
Step 4) Do whatever is necessary to get the game playable again, which the newly introduced law guarantees is possible
Step 5) Enjoy your game without the Ubi launcherWhat’s wrong with GOG?
GOG Launcher doesn’t support Linux. I guess.
It works fine under Linux. I use bottles
GOG standalone or GOG Galaxy? But, It would be great if they support Linux and integrate with their own fork of Proton.
GoG galaxy
I don’t understand why they would spend money supporting a Linux launcher. Almost all of there games are either older or very indie. They technically have Linux native games but they are very few. It is much easier to just run the Windows launcher since all the games are Windows anyway. It is all a integrated system that doesn’t need tweaking or skill to use.
True, only through heroic. It has been among the most wished features of GOG, yet never fulfilled.
and kernel-level anticheat. cant forget that one.
That’s a tough one. Clearly, everyone hates both kernel-level anticheat and cheaters. The level of hate depends.
Cheaters are a solved problem, in my opinion. It used to be that people hosted servers- moderating and managing their own communities. The industry went away from that in pursuit of cosmetics and control. There aren’t cheaters on well managed community servers in Valve games, but cheaters run rampant in matchmaking in those same games.
The issue is that that’s only a solution for a certain type of multiplayer game. MMOs and battle royales for example cannot feasibly implement community servers as their main form of multiplayer connection, because very few people have the capabilities to host such servers, much less moderate them at such high player counts. Heck, there’s even arguments to be made for the value of public matchmaking, despite how often it gets blasted in spaces such as this. Private servers are unfortunately not a one-size-fits-all solution.
There’s plenty of private MMO servers though.
You’re right, there are, but my point was that private MMO servers are significantly harder to host and moderate than a private server in a match-based multiplayer game like say Team Fortress 2. An MMO that relies on private servers is almost certainly doomed to fail, so it must have some form of official server, which then will need some form of cheating prevention.
3 ubisoft games i tried to play all have diferent ubisoft launchers. (Watchdogs was free, and trackmania i still like to hunt)
Cracks.
Arr yarr ahoy and avast!
I hope you are running these games sandboxed and never on bare metal.
Cracking group reputation yadda yadda.
Why do you want to play Ubisoft games?
I really enjoyed origins and odyssey they were flawed but relaxing and fun
Sometimes they’re fun, sometimes friends play them and you want to join?
i’d be cool with launchers being made illegal. They do nothing anyway.
Bye bye Steam. No more of that easy proton integration.
F you will be missed. Too bad they dont like, sell games.
But my achievements…!
(I’m serious about this.)
Can be displayed in-game :3
a lot of games have integrated achievements. Steam just displays them externally.
The only useful thing launchers can do is adjust things like display settings that require reboot. Basically an INI config GUI.
This was more common back in the day probably due to the game engines. More less games require restart in recent years but that could be due to me playing more indie games and less AAA titles.
those launchers i’m ok with, because they don’t ask me to log in, or take twelve minutes to start up, or try to promote a game, it’s literally just a pre launch menu. That’s chill.
Wow I got downvoted.
Yes I agree that launchers mentioned here are the online connected and required ones.
The old school launchers you could bypass by just running the exe directly.
wouldnt be the internet if people didnt think everything you said was stupid for no fucking reason.
but yeah, the old school ones are mint, we need more of those.
…except manage the game’s environment, download and install local files and updates, validate those files to make sure they’re not compromised, provide an API for service integration in games, manage middleware like Gamescope or Wine…
It would be like banning all loud and annoying freight trucks inside city limits, and then wondering why food doesn’t show up in stores anymore.
Can’t play one of my favorite MMOs on Linux because it now strictly requires the launcher that doesn’t work.
The game works! Before transitioning to a new launcher and strict laucher-only startup, it was fine. But now…yeah.
Which MMO?
Revelation Online
If you’re talking about runescape, I’ve been using the fan made Bolt Launcher and it works great
Nah, Revelation Online. Requires VK Games launcher to start. But I’ll see if your method works somehow, thanks!
No way to extract what the launcher does and use it as launch options in whatever youre using to launch the game?
Didn’t find a way
