I see what you are saying. But no. It’s not the same. Women have been historically discriminated and abused, in backward places like the US they still are. This context of abuse and discrimination does make the attack worse. Not because it is worse for the person, but because discriminated people have less accessibiliry to health and social services they need to recover from being attacked. Because it is harder to get help if you’re not a passing white man in the US, it is not the same to be hurt if you don’t have pale skin, speak north American English, and ‘look’ male, it is worse.
You attack a man, that’s bad. You attack a woman, that’s bad.
Women are routinely singled out for violence because they tend to be smaller and less intimidating.
The Groypers targeted her because she was a woman. JD Vance and his ilk don’t consider professional women legitimate. And quite a few of her male colleagues share that view.
So while picking a fight with a man invokes the angry of all his friends, Groypers feel confident they can single out a woman because her fellows have already left her isolated.
By saying that it’s worse to hit a woman, you are being sexist. You also implied that violence against men, which disproportionately outnumbers violence against women, doesn’t matter. Saying that it’s bad doesn’t matter when you are creating a sexist double standard.
Original comment: hitting a man is as bad as hitting a woman.
Latest comment: proof by contradiction that hitting a woman is not worse than hitting a man if you’re not justifying hitting a man.
To me, “hitting a man is as bad as hitting a woman” and “hitting a woman is not worse than hitting a man” are equal statements. How is that moving the goalpost?
“Hitting a woman is worse than hitting a man” is just sexism.
The Redditness is leaking hard when people can read the events in this story and still not understand the implicit misogyny in singling out women for physical abuse.
I don’t know how we’re ever going to reach any kind of class consciousness in our hateful, violent, vulgar society when a mob of Groypers baring down on a woman is just an acceptable consequence she should have seen coming.
According to the DOJ you are making shit up. Men make up over 70% of all violent crime victims. The only one that comes close is SA, and even there men still make up just over 50% of that group. But go ahead and froth and seethe over your precious minority that must be protected since they can’t defend themselves.
If you come at me, you’ll deal with me. If you come at my wife, then good fucking luck, you’re on your own, I’m not saving you, she’s fucking fierce.
All jokes aside, if you treat people differently based on their gender, then you’re acting sexist. Just don’t go around attacking people, how fucking hard is that?
That’s the thing though, I wouldn’t go after your wife. I guess I was raised differently. I was raised with “you don’t hit women”. You come at me, I’m going to fight back. Your wife comes after me, I’m not going to hit her.
The Dementia DonOLD staffer must have felt really strong after pushing her. It’s just a shame he gets away with it. If he pushed her, I’m sure he’s beat the hell out of his wife and/or ex girlfriends.
Maybe you want gender inequality, but I don’t. The idea that you’re not supposed to defend yourself if a woman attacks you, is based on what? Your motivation is your upbringing, if I understand you correctly, but where is the idea from? The people who raised you must have gotten it from somewhere.
I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that somewhere down the line, that idea stems from the “women are fragile and weak, and need protection”-story. Even if it doesn’t stem from this, then that’s how it can be perceived. Women are not necessarily weak, but treating women like they’re less capable than men is amplifying that image, in the minds of both genders. Which can end up with women actually believing the story themselves.
So even if you have all the best intentions, which I’m sure you have, you’re still doing women in general a disservice. Treat women like equals, and they’ll eventually believe in it.
Imagine being told that you probably couldn’t tie your own shoelaces because you’re a guy, and every time you put on your shoes, a woman would come running up and insist on tieing them for you. And if you somehow managed to get to tie them yourself, then every woman you met was second guessing you. It seems absurd, right? It’s kinda the same thing, except for tieing shoes it’s random things, that may or may not require physical strength.
Pretty big stretch from pushing down a women to a woman tying my shoes. I’m talking about physical violence. I’m all for equality, but it’s a scientific fact that men are bigger and stronger (not all, I get it, but you also get it) than women. If you think it’s the exact same for you to go push a man down as it is to push a woman down, I’m sorry, I’m not going to agree with that statement. The same “rule” applies to beating a kid or an elderly person.
Judging by your name, you grew up in a different country where you must have a different opinion of women or your women are the same size and strength as the men. Every hear the phrase pick on someone your own size? Sort of relates.
I definitely didn’t grow up in North America. And the culture in which I live, gender equality may be more prevalent.
I’m not a stranger to the idiom of picking on someone your own size. Thing is, though: I don’t think anyone should be picking on anybody else, at all.
While I don’t disagree that there are physiological differences between men and women, jumping to the conclusion, that women can’t handle themselves, is just propagating the sexual stereotypes of our past generations, which has lead to women being considered weak and by extension thereof worth less than men.
Women are not weak by default, but keep telling a girl that she’s not able to do the same things as the boys, keep telling the girl to wear pink dresses and keep her hair long, keep telling her to play with dolls and let her bother’s matchbox cars and BB gun be. Keep telling her, that good girls don’t play wild games, and that little girl will start to believe you more than she believes in herself.
Through my job I’ve gotten know female carpenters, painters, electricians, machinists, mechanics, butchers, truck drivers, and smiths. All trades typically considered to be male trades, but these young women I’ve met, have been as motivated, as big assets for their employers, and as hard working, as their male colleagues.
Telling a woman that you won’t hit her, no matter what she does to you, is keeping her down, locked into that inane stereotypical gender role.
And if you don’t buy my shoelace analogy, then how about this: a guy tells you “oh no, I wouldn’t dream of hitting you, not under any circumstance. You’re too weak and defenseless, it wouldn’t be fair.” How would you like that? I’d bet you’d like that guy to fuck right off with his superior attitude.
If I start talking shit to you and push you down, that’s wrong. If go talk shit to your wife and push her down, that’s worse. You don’t attack women.
I thought that was a universally known thing. Well, unless you’re a republikkklown.
That’s sexism. It’s equally as unacceptable to use violence against a man as a woman.
I see what you are saying. But no. It’s not the same. Women have been historically discriminated and abused, in backward places like the US they still are. This context of abuse and discrimination does make the attack worse. Not because it is worse for the person, but because discriminated people have less accessibiliry to health and social services they need to recover from being attacked. Because it is harder to get help if you’re not a passing white man in the US, it is not the same to be hurt if you don’t have pale skin, speak north American English, and ‘look’ male, it is worse.
Why would it make it worse.
You attack a man, that’s bad. You attack a woman, that’s bad.
Baing a man doesn’t justify you being hit.
Women are routinely singled out for violence because they tend to be smaller and less intimidating.
The Groypers targeted her because she was a woman. JD Vance and his ilk don’t consider professional women legitimate. And quite a few of her male colleagues share that view.
So while picking a fight with a man invokes the angry of all his friends, Groypers feel confident they can single out a woman because her fellows have already left her isolated.
That’s what’s fucked about this situation.
Show me where I said being a man justifies you being hit?
You won’t, I didn’t say that. I said it’s wrong. I said it’s worse for a man to hit a women. Take your bullshit somewhere else.
By saying that it’s worse to hit a woman, you are being sexist. You also implied that violence against men, which disproportionately outnumbers violence against women, doesn’t matter. Saying that it’s bad doesn’t matter when you are creating a sexist double standard.
Where did I say it didn’t matter? You need some help with reading comprehension. Go read my comment again.
Well, if hitting a woman is worse than hitting a man, then it must mean that hitting a man is not as bad.
So I can just hit men and say “at least I didn’t hit a woman”. That’s justifying hitting a man for just being a man.
Why don’t you mount those goalposts on a Bugatti, it’ll make it easier for you. Until then, you do you.
Original comment: hitting a man is as bad as hitting a woman.
Latest comment: proof by contradiction that hitting a woman is not worse than hitting a man if you’re not justifying hitting a man.
To me, “hitting a man is as bad as hitting a woman” and “hitting a woman is not worse than hitting a man” are equal statements. How is that moving the goalpost?
“Hitting a woman is worse than hitting a man” is just sexism.
The Redditness is leaking hard when people can read the events in this story and still not understand the implicit misogyny in singling out women for physical abuse.
I don’t know how we’re ever going to reach any kind of class consciousness in our hateful, violent, vulgar society when a mob of Groypers baring down on a woman is just an acceptable consequence she should have seen coming.
According to the DOJ you are making shit up. Men make up over 70% of all violent crime victims. The only one that comes close is SA, and even there men still make up just over 50% of that group. But go ahead and froth and seethe over your precious minority that must be protected since they can’t defend themselves.
If you come at me, you’ll deal with me. If you come at my wife, then good fucking luck, you’re on your own, I’m not saving you, she’s fucking fierce.
All jokes aside, if you treat people differently based on their gender, then you’re acting sexist. Just don’t go around attacking people, how fucking hard is that?
That’s the thing though, I wouldn’t go after your wife. I guess I was raised differently. I was raised with “you don’t hit women”. You come at me, I’m going to fight back. Your wife comes after me, I’m not going to hit her.
The Dementia DonOLD staffer must have felt really strong after pushing her. It’s just a shame he gets away with it. If he pushed her, I’m sure he’s beat the hell out of his wife and/or ex girlfriends.
Maybe you want gender inequality, but I don’t. The idea that you’re not supposed to defend yourself if a woman attacks you, is based on what? Your motivation is your upbringing, if I understand you correctly, but where is the idea from? The people who raised you must have gotten it from somewhere.
I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that somewhere down the line, that idea stems from the “women are fragile and weak, and need protection”-story. Even if it doesn’t stem from this, then that’s how it can be perceived. Women are not necessarily weak, but treating women like they’re less capable than men is amplifying that image, in the minds of both genders. Which can end up with women actually believing the story themselves.
So even if you have all the best intentions, which I’m sure you have, you’re still doing women in general a disservice. Treat women like equals, and they’ll eventually believe in it.
Imagine being told that you probably couldn’t tie your own shoelaces because you’re a guy, and every time you put on your shoes, a woman would come running up and insist on tieing them for you. And if you somehow managed to get to tie them yourself, then every woman you met was second guessing you. It seems absurd, right? It’s kinda the same thing, except for tieing shoes it’s random things, that may or may not require physical strength.
The idea of not protecting women, and being sick of being cuddled, is not that new. I mean Gwen Stefani wrote a song about it in 96 https://genius.com/No-doubt-just-a-girl-lyrics
Pretty big stretch from pushing down a women to a woman tying my shoes. I’m talking about physical violence. I’m all for equality, but it’s a scientific fact that men are bigger and stronger (not all, I get it, but you also get it) than women. If you think it’s the exact same for you to go push a man down as it is to push a woman down, I’m sorry, I’m not going to agree with that statement. The same “rule” applies to beating a kid or an elderly person.
Judging by your name, you grew up in a different country where you must have a different opinion of women or your women are the same size and strength as the men. Every hear the phrase pick on someone your own size? Sort of relates.
I definitely didn’t grow up in North America. And the culture in which I live, gender equality may be more prevalent.
I’m not a stranger to the idiom of picking on someone your own size. Thing is, though: I don’t think anyone should be picking on anybody else, at all.
While I don’t disagree that there are physiological differences between men and women, jumping to the conclusion, that women can’t handle themselves, is just propagating the sexual stereotypes of our past generations, which has lead to women being considered weak and by extension thereof worth less than men.
Women are not weak by default, but keep telling a girl that she’s not able to do the same things as the boys, keep telling the girl to wear pink dresses and keep her hair long, keep telling her to play with dolls and let her bother’s matchbox cars and BB gun be. Keep telling her, that good girls don’t play wild games, and that little girl will start to believe you more than she believes in herself.
Through my job I’ve gotten know female carpenters, painters, electricians, machinists, mechanics, butchers, truck drivers, and smiths. All trades typically considered to be male trades, but these young women I’ve met, have been as motivated, as big assets for their employers, and as hard working, as their male colleagues.
Telling a woman that you won’t hit her, no matter what she does to you, is keeping her down, locked into that inane stereotypical gender role.
And if you don’t buy my shoelace analogy, then how about this: a guy tells you “oh no, I wouldn’t dream of hitting you, not under any circumstance. You’re too weak and defenseless, it wouldn’t be fair.” How would you like that? I’d bet you’d like that guy to fuck right off with his superior attitude.