• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Yes, so I am skeptical when I hear you say Harris is “progressive” when she is running on even harsher border control and “the most lethal military in the world.”

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      2 months ago

      Like I said, I do not believe in listening to rhetoric. Words are cheap. Actions are meaningful. I don’t care what she runs on, she could run on launching all our nukes at Florida and I still would not listen very much.

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        2 months ago

        I agree, but based on her voting record she is a tepid liberal, and based on her words she will continue to be so.

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          2 months ago

          She is certainly a liberal, no question about it. Most progressives are, though.

          Again, Marx did not argue for reforming the government, that’s not seizing the means of production. Progressives are reformist, not revolutionary though. Progressives will usually fight against the use of violence to change the system.

          You can’t just claim all of progressivism for communism just because you’re a communist and see it as progress, that’s not fair for the rest of us that want change, but not communism.

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            She is certainly a liberal, no question about it. Most progressives are, though.

            Is “progressive” just a vibe?

            Again, Marx did not argue for reforming the government, that’s not seizing the means of production.

            I already told you I’m a Communist, I’d rather you not talk down to me and explain my position for me.

            Progressives are reformist, not revolutionary though. Progressives will usually fight against the use of violence to change the system.

            Kamala isn’t changing the system, nor does she seem to want to. So, is she no longer a progressive in your eyes?

            You can’t just claim all of progressivism for communism just because you’re a communist and see it as progress, that’s not fair for the rest of us that want change, but not communism.

            Good thing I didn’t claim that. She isn’t even trying to reform, she’s maintaining the current system with minor tweaks.

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              2 months ago

              I already said, progressives seek to reform the system. That means joining it, and fixing it steadily from within. You can see the differences between this and a communist revolution, yes? It is not a complete change to an entirely different system, it is evolution of the system.

              You may see these tweaks as too minor, and that’s fine. But that just means you are not a progressive. Which makes complete sense since you’ve said you’re a communist. If all progressives were communists, we wouldn’t need two separate words, right? But we have two words, for the two different things.

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                I already said, progressives seek to reform the system. That means joining it, and fixing it steadily from within. You can see the differences between this and a communist revolution, yes? It is not a complete change to an entirely different system, it is evolution of the system.

                She’s not evolving the system, this isn’t reform, this is continued liberalism.

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                  2 months ago

                  You do not need to switch to a completely different system in order to qualify for the words “evolve” or “reform”. That’s just not what those words mean in the English language. Words that would apply better would be “overhaul” “replacement” or “revolution”.

                  If someone wants to abandon all liberalism instead of changing the type of liberalism while keeping liberalism, they are not progressive.