Oh God oh fuck the admins are gonna kill you for making this post
They’re gonna take down the post for “unhealthy diets” lol
Sadly no. As we humans are omnivores. We can digest non animal fats and dont need directly a heck load of chemicals injected into a block of soy beans paste.
Additionally WE can make that choice but cats that are obligatory carnivore would never choose vegan as they are obligated to do so.
If a vegan diet is ethical for a cat is unknown.
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a heck load of chemicals injected into a block of soy beans paste.
Everything’s a chemical, this is just language used to make things sound scary. The taurin that cats need that isn’t found in vegan cat food is identical to the taurin in meat.
Additionally WE can make that choice but cats that are obligatory carnivore would never choose vegan as they are obligated to do so.
If you’re so concerned about a cat having a supposedly harmful (the science on this disagrees with you, to be clear) choice made for itself by the human who is keeping it, why are you fine with the choices made for the animals that are kept in awful conditions and then killed for cat food with meat in it? Those animals are also kept by humans and have choices made for them that are unnatural to them, and they are most certainly being harmed.
If a vegan diet is ethical for a cat is unknown.
The science on this is pretty clear, and there are plenty of examples of cats thriving on a vegan diet for many many years. Of course, it’s important to consult a specialist and give the cat regular checkups if switching its diet like this.
Do you mind sharing your scientific source on cats thriving on vegan diets?
Maybe it was this one. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10499249/
Now make them affordable. Plant based meats cost easily double the price of meat. So I don’t blame people for choosing meat.
Not where I live. They are about the same price. Depends on the brand and type of product.
Incidentally… lentil based sausages are horrible on a grill. They downright taste gross when baked. But in a rich vegetable soup? Much better than meat.
but THATS the point. profit.
Yeah, many plant based alternatives are cheaper than meat to produce, but it has become a thing that vegan alternatives are expensive so everyone raises the price to match.
I forgot the company but around 2015 there was one brand talking up about because of how cheap it was to make it would be a great thing to help with hunger levels in impoverished areas. Just really talking up how they were going to be cheaper than meat. Year later, priced up to match the rest of the brands.
its tragic and sad. but to get witchhunted by those who get exploited just because pointing that fact out, makes my blood boil.
Next up, the sky is blue.
I wish it was more obvious to the average person as it is needed to counter the mainstream media’s false narrative that “processed plant-based protein alternatives are less healthy than meat”
Both sides suck at arguing this and all it does is make both sides insufferable. Meat eaters like to point out things like protein deficiency, and high amounts of salts and sugars in meat substitutes. Vegans like to point out the saturated fats, cancer rates, and green house emissions. Problem is you’re both right.
From the article
The studies authors are calling for “greater nuance” when it comes to discussing the healthiness of plant-based alternatives, as there is considerable disparity between categories in terms of health.
“Grouping all plant-based alternatives into a single category is an unhelpful strategy for encouraging a shift away from meat and towards more plant-rich diets as it hides a wide variety of options with differing nutrition and health profiles within the plant-based alternative category,” the authors wrote.
While the study acknowledged that plant-based meat alternatives can be a “useful stepping stone” for encouraging people to shift their diets, they stressed that the less processed alternatives – notably beans and grains – offer “the greatest number of co-benefits.”
Personally I’m going to stop eating meat but I’m fine with eating less of it or lab grown after a while (though I’m worried about what the industry would look like on a mass scale). But calling for things like moving all livestock subsidies to meat alternatives and claiming all meat substitutes are inherently healthier is just naive, reactionary, and lack nuance. Discussions between vegans and carnivores go exactly how you expect most internet debates to go.
Not that I doubt you, but where are you seeing them talk about it AT ALL?
I’m maybe just looking in the wrong places but beyond the occasional adverpinion piece, it’s not even brought up.
It’s a common talking point amongst those who have a murderous hatred of vegans.
You say that but there arent campaigns to disinform people that the sky is actually red.
The most healthy plant based meat alternatives have always been, Beans & Legumes. You’re welcome!
nooooooo we want them to buy the OTHER kind of plant based meat alternatives, the lucrative ones.
Lentils and nuts/seeds?
that profit margin is puny, we want some form of processed alternative, so we can make lots of money.
And they’re easy! Like I enjoy fake meat as a treat, but as my wife can’t eat soy my primary meat replacement is black beans. Sometimes butter beans. It’s great, it’s easy, and I feel good.
That said the real best is lentils. Nothing is healthy like lentils are. They’re just difficult to cook right
I know, those lentils take me 4-5 days to cook. O_o
i fear eating them, since i had 2 days long migraines often, i think cooking them like this is really nesscessary, to get rid of toxins from the outher shell. but i am far to hungry for this method.
Just an FYI, that was a joke. Lentils cook faster than any other bean and you do not need to soak them. They are super healthy for you.
there are species of lentils you have to soak in water for days, and then cook really long, i didnt made that up.
Interesting. I usually do the French Lentils because they cook the fastest. And regular brown. Red are quick but I usually use those to thicken pasta sauce since they disintegrate but add thickness and protein.
I tried a Beyond Burger once and all I could taste was beans. I’m not a huge fan of beans, but having a bean flavor with a non-bean consistency is a no-go from my palate.
I’m not vegan, but I’ve been trying to limit my groceries to have 1 meat based dinner each week. I have really enjoyed using chickpeas as my protein for lots of different things. My favorite right now is a chickpea shawarma.
Isn’t that what these are made from?
They are partially made from soy, peas, etc. However what they do is remove parts of the protein from the bean/legume. All the good parts get removed except some protein and a few trace elements. Then you add all kinds of filler chemicals, modifiers, gelling agents that have also been super processed as well. These foods are okay for a once-in-a-while dinner but are not a healthy food. A peanut butter sandwich is way healthier, if you are using pure ground peanuts, no fillers.
Yay, ultra-processed food. I rarely buy anything premade.
But you don’t get to torment animals
Awesome. Now it just needs to be more affordable while tasting just as good. Right now, the stuff that actually tastes like meat is priced like a bougie, elitist luxury good.
Yeah this is all I want. I can barely afford to eat normally right now, if this got priced reasonably I’d be all over it.
Depends where you live, some countries the vegan stuff is cheaper than the meat
the price is exactly what this is all about.
Like I’m gonna let you talk me into giving up pepperoni pizza just to stretch out my
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It’s so funny that the bias of plant based news can’t be detected by a media bias fact checker.
Seriously, their bias is right in the name.
Duh.
And lower birthrates lower overpopulation.
I am once again asking for meat and dairy subsidies in the US to be shifted to alternatives like plant-based products and lab meat.
One of the biggest barriers to alternatives is the cost. Currently they cost like twice as much as the “normal” product. If they cost a roughly equal amount, more people would start buying them instead. The US has huge agriculture subsidies; we could shift them to alternatives to encourage a change in production and a change in retail purchasing.
lab meat costs like 100 dollars for a pound. its insanely expensive
Personally, I do not want any lab grown meat, and as for the pseudo burgers and chicken (I grew up vegetarian) the “nutritional” benefits are not their due to over processing
Personally, I don’t want to be part of a human society which purposefully creates huge amounts of suffering for animals (including human animals). Yet, here we are.
that is a point i can get behind. solid ethics intstead of marketing pseudo meat when you just can eat the plant like it is.
Pseudo meat is a way to help people who miss meat to eat less of it. It’s not a necessary feature of a non-meat diet.
I think its a way to make money… I kinda stopped believing that Food supppliers are in the buisness for anything other than profit.
spot on. pseudo meat is just junk food.
I wish I could be there the day you bit into what you decided was a delicious burger or steak, only to be told that- *gasp*- it was grown in a lab and that DNA is DNA.
Most meatists like that would just get angry when they encounter that. Saying you tricked them.
And then they would start eating even more meat just to spite you and vegans.
It really isn’t that big of an argument I’m afraid.
Personally, I do not want any lab grown meat
Why not?
because thats stupid, unrealistic, and a nightmare to produce.
Today sure. Every new technology has.
Doesn’t mean it is the same in the future.
yeah, well, you got a point there. sure.
but every media source talks about lab meat like its a viable thing to manufacture, sell and buy. like a real alternative to meat. i found only one place to buy it, read this:
“For the first time in history, you can buy cultivated meat in retail to cook at home. Our newest product, GOOD Meat 3, is now available to buy in the frozen groceries section at Huber’s Butchery, one of Singapore’s premier producers and suppliers of high-quality meat products. This delicious, shredded chicken is made with 3% cultivated meat in combination with plant-based ingredients, similar to the way we’ve always made our chicken. GOOD Meat 3 gives us a way to make our cultivated meat more readily available, while we continue to scale our technology.”
so 3 percent lab grown meat is in the thing you can buy.
https://www.hubers.com.sg/Productlisting.aspx?CatID=SABVAEIARQBSAFMAMQBIAFUAQgBFAFIAUwA=
but i doubt they sell it, because its not listed in their shop.
At this point, it’s basically a technological marvel. You’re definitely right about that.
Give it 10 years, and I’d be willing to bet you’ll be able to buy 100% lab-grown meat at rates that are at least competitive.
competitive to what , thats the question ;-) but yes, you are completely right, i dont know what the future will bring.
Every single piece of technology that you use daily without even thinking about it because it is so deeply ingrained in your life at one point had people just like you talking about it just like that. You people never figure out that today isn’t the rest of time. It’s like the opposite of object permanency or something, some people just can’t figure out that now isn’t here forever.
i am autistic for a reason, but, its not my goddamn fault that you can’t buy this stuff anywhere, while you vegan folk make playpretend like you could do that.
That’s fine, you don’t have to eat them. You can still pay a premium for the more environmentally-expensive real meat, instead of the government-subsidized costs we pay now.
That’s one opinion. I will take all of the lab grown meat thanks. I’m vegetarian, working to vegan. If there was pork chop that came out tomorrow that was made Ina. Lab and no pig died for it - I’m fucking eating it.
Impossible foods have allowed me to go veggie, so I think we should sing their praises.
but why would you eat something that makes you sick? meat is meat. the artificial one will make you sick as well.
???
Humans are omnivores. Meat doesn’t make us sick. Over consumption makes us sick. I don’t eat impossible for every meal. I eat it maybe once or twice a week.
but that is what the article is about? meat makes us and the planet sick, apparently.
thats what the report finds, its in the title.
Just because one thing is healthier doesn’t mean the other makes you sick.
Your dumb logic is what makes me sick.
you must be pretty bedridden
Probably for the same reasons a lot of us humans are drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco. And eating intense amounts of sugar.
So? Don’t eat them? I dont see why you are upset at the suggestion of changing our national subsidiaries away from what we know is harming the environment.
Besides, there is a lot more to eat veg than the proceed Morningstar, Boca, Immposible junk. I mostly eat rice, beans, curry and tofu I prepare myself.
Yeah, meat is so heavily subsidized. And I’ll acknowledge that this is one of those problems that you can’t really solve unless you’re willing to yank your political career and your party. People don’t want to quit meat like they don’t want gas to be expensive enough to account for the damage done by using it
I wish they weren’t all so damn salty though. I get that meat is salty, but the meat alternatives go way too far with the saltiness in general in my experience.
So much this. Last time I brought it up, I was asked “what’s the matter, you don’t season your food?”
Uh… There are more seasonings than SALT, yo. You can add more of it, but once it’s in there…
I prefer my veggies in veggie form. Veggie meat seems like the nicotine patch of the food world to me.
They’re comin’
Next you’re going to say that it’s good that my primary source of protein is high in fiber and fixes nitrogen in the soil. No shit. Over processed food is bad, but meat is really bad for the planet and while it may be healthy in small amounts it’s probably less than every day, much less every meal like is common in the developed world.
No shit sherlock.
What do they think our lifestock eats? Air?
