Can’t you NOT swap out VPs?
Vance is a couch fucker btw
The next candidate for Trump VP should be someone who is proven not to have fucked any couches
I know, I know, everyone is saying it. The best people. The brightest people. Someone who hasn’t fucked a couch is going to be hard to find. People tell me they’ve been looking, the best people. They haven’t found anyone. But I am not a weirdo, no matter what they say, but it’s not that many people who are even saying it, but if you look at it the lying media and sleepy joe Biden, you know, there’s a reason he hasn’t appeared in any interviews lately……
You can’t switch candidates like that! That’s a coup!
At least it is according to this weird douchebag who told me he was totally trustworthy
The thing is they wouldn’t have a problem with you calling it that, because the whole purpose was to degrade what an actual coup is before they do one
Yeah no disagreement here. I think a lot of the “every accusation is a confession” thing comes from trying to condition voters to think less of the horrible headlines that inevitably surface.
RFK vs Walz would be a truly insane debate.
This made me laugh out loud
“how many roadkill raccoons have YOU fit into a roadkill deer? Huh, Mr Waltz?!?”
My opponent has never chainsawed off the head of a dead whale for personal whale anatomy experiments. Do you really want someone without that valuable experience as second in line for the presidency?
leans on podium “hey buddy, what are you doing after this?”
Waltz: “going to pick up my wife and go for a nice drive, you?”
RFK: “So I’m hearin ‘nothin’. How bout we find some dead animals and relocate them to other places, with oft-stolen items? If I can find a cat, I’m gonna put it by the library with a rolled up $20.”
Waltz: “Why does it have to be rolled up?”
RFK: “that’s… look man, that’s just how it already is right now, alright? That’s how the bank lady gave it to me, or whatever. Anyways, if we find a squirrel, I’m putting it at an elementary school with a gun, some drugs and a flamingo lawn ornament.”
Waltz: “and this is a hobby of yours?”
RFK: incoherent screaming
RFK is an insane piece of shit but he’s been sober for a very long time. He used to be hella addicted to heroin.
Couchfucker or chainsaw-whale-head guy . . . .
Spoilt for choice
Have there ever been weirder candidates? Fucking a couch is the least weird thing compared to chainsawing a whale’s head or abandoning a dead bear cub in Central Park, and the former is the only one of those probably not true (although Vance hasn’t denied it).
Or the brainworms from all the other roadkill he’s had a decades-long habit of collecting.
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It’s all winners in that party, I tell ya, lol
They are truly sending their best.
ironically, RFK Jr has never had an elected office. So he’s every once as incompetent as Trump. Not that Vance is any more competent.
From what I’ve seen of the guy, I feel the only reason anybody knows him is his name.
C’mon man, give his batshit insane behaviour a little credit.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
This timeline is wild.
Low Energy
vance presidency would have made this guys career ten years ago. instance snl multiappearances. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Labine
Ahh, Sock. They ruined an already failing show by going all-in on season 2 Sockmania. Not that it was his fault.
Make them fight over it, arm RFK with a sofa piece and arm Vance with a piece of some dead animal
This would be chaos, but there’s no way it happens. Trump is too beholden to dark money to try it.
Money will be spent by the time he probably tries to do it. There’s a bunch of legal hurdles that should stop it from happening, but look at the shit this idiot does.
Trump dies on the second day in office, then the newly minted President Kennedy butchers a bald eagle on the Oval Office desk, cooks it in an air fryer perched on the railing of the window, then tosses it in buffalo sauce and eats it before blowing the brain worms to kingdom come with an original flintlock from the time of Thomas Jefferson that was sitting on one of the shelves.
I would watch that pay per view.
this comment is extra special.
I’m not even sure I oppose this timeline
Better than the shit Vance has planned.
(I have no idea what rfk has planned.)
I’m fine with this. Honestly. Beats having President Trump again, and you know it does.
If Dems take the House and make someone besides Nancy Pelosi the Speaker then this isn’t a bad outcome
Hakeem “More Hand Movements than an Air Force Ground Crew” Jeffries is the name you seek.
No better way to signal stability and confidence than shuffling your deck so close to the big game.
Since Vance is officially the VP running mate and ballots are probably going to be printed soon, could he actually get swapped this late?
I can see draft dodger Don just saying “I have two VP picks now. How it is!” The RNC would roll with it because they are cowards, and somehow SCOTUS would also be cool with it.
“Doesn’t say he can’t pick two people.” - Uncle Thomas, if he actually knew how to talk.
Don’t think so legally, but the law has never stopped Dipshit Don from doing idiotic and horrible things before. 🤣
In a really weird way this might actually be helpful to the campaign. When RFK dropped out of the race, both Kamala and Trump saw a boost in the polls, meaning there are people that supported RFK that were more Democratic leaning than Republican leaning, though it should be noted Trump went up only a few points more than Kamala did.
JD Vance has been the most unpopular VP pick in modern American history. While RFK is of course weird, I personally wouldn’t be surprised if he’s seen in a more favourable light than Vance is. The swap could potentially win some of RFK’s supporters who moved their support to Kamala over to Trump and the Republicans, and could give the opportunity for “unity” messaging considering Trump would be bringing in a former opponent as well as the Democratic association with the Kennedy name.
Will say though, not sure how effective this would be compared to the Trump campaign simply swapping Vance with someone else that was on the original running for VP pick. Still shocked knowing that Burgum was going to be picked before Trump was swayed to choose Vance, and that Tim Scott wasn’t his go-to considering Scott’s potential for Republicans playing identity politics and his talent in campaign fundraising.
Game changing this late in the game, no matter what.
I haven’t watched either one speak out loud, and do not wish to (30-seconds of audio crushed my smoky fantasies regarding Lauren Boebert), but RFK seems more sane to me.
Bring on the bear and whale jokes, c’mon. But remember when Bush seemed like a guy you could enjoy a beer with? Yeah, that kinda vibe. In any case, nothing will get me to vote R again in this lifetime.
Tbf, having a beer with RFK sounds like an exciting time. Would never vote for him though
I’d shoot heroin with the guy.
Wasn’t Vance officially chosen by the delegates at the RNC? Can Trump actually pick someone else now? What would the party have to do to change their nomination after the convention-hold an emergency meeting and revote?
At this point there’s no way to do it legally. Ballots are already being printed. But legality’s not an issue for Trump and his personal fan club.
I think Vance could step down, then Trump would have no running mate, I think? And a VP would be appointed by Congress if he wins? Idk.
It would be peak Trump to announce a VP change without checking if it was actually possible 🍿🍿
Technically,
The president and vice president are chosen by the electoral college in separate votes.
Though, for some time, it’s always been the winning candidate’s selected running mate… there is no requirement there. The electors could pick Mittens the back flipping poodle for VP if they wanted.
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Fun fact, the VP was originally supposed to be whoever got second place in the presidential election…until they figured out that the candidates might hate each other and that relationship isn’t so great for a president and their VP.
It’s not so much that as that the coalitions and eventual parties wanted to hold both seats, so they ran multiple candidates with the assumption that one would be president and the other vice president. The electors would then structure their votes to ensure that the correct person was elected to each position. However, with the difficulties in long-distance communication at the time, this was prone to error. In 1800, this almost led to the candidate for vice president being elected as president.
After that, they realized that it didn’t make sense to use one slate if candidates for both positions, so they separated out the ballot into president and vice president. That’s essentially how the elections had been running up to that point (particularly because they always had two votes to cast), but it was to easy to make a mistake. Both before and after the amendment, there was a presidential candidate with a running mate vying for the vice presidency.
Thanks for the additional context. And yeah, you’re right about the coalitions trying to control both spots.
I don’t think we can totally ignore that the 1796 Adams-Jefferson presidency was a vivid example to Congress–specifically, the congress that eventually passed the 12th amendment after the dumpster fire of the 1800 election–on the importance of relationship dynamics in getting things done.
I actually had written an answer about the effects of the 12th amendment on the politics StackExchange that details how the original elections worked (or failed) under the old system.
The interesting thing to me about this is that after Washington, there had always been running mates, and the problem wasn’t that the President and Vice President may be political opponents. The problem was the old system was open to gamesmanship that thwarted the will of the voters.
1796 did not end with an Adams-Jefferson administration because Jefferson came in second. If things went as planned, it would have been Adams-Pinckney instead. But Hamilton preferred Pinckney over Adams and tried to sway the electors for Jefferson-Burr to vote Jefferson-Pinckney instead, which would have led to a Pinckney-Adams administration despite Pinckney campaigning with Adams as his presumptive Vice President. However, his plan didn’t work out, and Jefferson ended up getting the second most number of votes. This led to an Adams-Jefferson administration which was not supposed to happen. This was bad, but the shady dealings happened in the dark, and Adams was at least elected President in accordance to the popular vote. The politicians at the time thought that they could just sweep this under the rug as they now had a better understanding of how to manage their electors.
But, that turned out to be false. In 1800, they planned to be smarter with allocating the electors’ votes, but the Democratic-Republicans failed and accidentally cast the same number of votes for both Jefferson and Burr. Under the Constitution, a tie is decided in the House, and the makeup of the House meant that Federalists had the advantage. They preferred Burr over Jefferson, so they tried to subvert the election and appoint a Burr-Jefferson administration rather than Jefferson-Burr. Hamilton ultimately convinced the Federalists to relent and give the election to Jefferson. This was now the second time that Hamilton intervened to orchestrate the results of the election, and this time, it was all out in the open on the House floor. Furthermore, in both of these instances, Hamilton’s actions screwed over Burr, leading to the infamous Hamilton-Burr duel that left Hamilton dead and Burr disgraced. So not only did the election show that this Constitution was failing in the democratic ideals of the revolution, it also led to the untimely downfall of two of the country’s top political leaders.
So yes, the 1796 election exposed a pretty major issue, and the 1800 election showed that that issue could not be ignored. However, if you’re suggesting that the 1796 election led to the 12th Amendment because it showed the problems that arise when the President and Vice President are not politically aligned, I’m not so sure. It’s possible, but I don’t think that was a revelation to them. At the very least, the parties at the time were always trying to fill both offices with specific people, even before the 12th Amendment. The biggest problem they were trying to address was the way that the old system could be gamed by political elites.
Also, sorry for the big wall of text. I just find this to be a very interesting topic.
I’ve had fun learning more about it and that includes your exceptional replies. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
Trump can do any goddamn thing he wants. SCOTUS will step in to make sure RFK is on the ballots if needed.
Democrats: “We’re suing to keep Vance on the ballot”
SCOTUS: “Actually, Trump can do whatever he wants, plus we’re giving him 100 free electoral votes because fuck you.”
The RNC can just change its rules.
Or simply not follow them like history has shown
Trump can do pretty much anything he wants. No one in the GOP has any power to stop him and the moon that supports him.
Lol I meant “mob” but I’ll leave it :p
Like they’d get in trump’s way?
