When A.I.’s Output Is a Threat to A.I. Itself
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As A.I.-generated data becomes harder to detect, it’s increasingly likely to be ingested by future A.I., leading to worse results.
  • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
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    2 months ago

    The best analogy I can think of:

    Imagine you speak English, and your dropped off in the middle of the Siberian forest. No internet, old days. Nobody around you knows English. Nobody you can talk to knows English. English for all intents purposes only exists in your head.

    How long do you think you could still speak English correctly? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? Will your children be able to speak English? What about your grandchildren? At what point will your island of English diverge sufficiently from your home English that they’re unintelligible to each other.

    I think this is the training problem in a nutshell.

  • paddirn@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    So kinda like the human centipede, but with LLMs? The LLMillipede? The AI Centipede? The Enshittipede?

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Imo this is not a bad thing.

    All the big LLM players are staunchly against regulation; this is one of the outcomes of that. So, by all means, please continue building an ouroboros of nonsense. It’ll only make the regulations that eventually get applied to ML stricter and more incisive.

  • leftzero@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Anyone old enough to have played with a photocopier as a kid could have told you this was going to happen.

  • Ekky@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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    2 months ago

    So now LLM makers actually have to sanitize their datasets? The horror…

      • Ekky@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Oh no, it’s very difficult, especially on the scale of LLMs.

        That said, we others (those of us who have any amount of respect towards ourselves, our craft, and our fellow human) have been sourcing our data carefully since way before NNs, such as asking the relevant authority for it (ex. asking the post house for images of handwritten destinations).

        Is this slow and cumbersome? Oh yes. But it delays the need for over-restrictive laws, just like with RC crafts before drones. And by extension, it allows those who could not source the material they needed through conventional means, or those small new startups with no idea what they were doing, to skim the gray border and still get a small and hopefully usable dataset.

        And now, someone had the grand idea to not only scour and scavenge the whole internet with no abandon, but also boast about it. So now everyone gets punished.

        At last: don’t get me wrong, laws are good (duh), but less restrictive or incomplete laws can be nice as long as everyone respects each other. I’m excited to see what the future brings in this regard, but I hate the idea that those who facilitated this change likely are the only ones to go free.

      • Ekky@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        2 months ago

        You don’t have to sanitize the weights, you have to sanitize the data you use to get the weights. Two very different things, and while I agree that sanitizing a LLM after training is close to impossible, sanitizing the data you give it is much, much easier.

  • kowcop@aussie.zoneEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I always thought this is why the Facebooks and Googles of the world are hoovering up the data now

  • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
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    2 months ago

    My takeaway from this is:

    1. Get a bunch of AI-generated slop and put it in a bunch of individual .htm files on my webserver.
    2. When my bot user agent filter is invoked in Nginx, instead of returning 444 and closing the connection, return a random .htm of AI-generated slop (instead of serving the real content)
    3. Laugh as the LLMs eat their own shit
    4. ???
    5. Profit
    • mesamune@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I might just do this. It would be fun to write a quick python script to automate this so that it keeps going forever. Just have a link that regens junk then have it go to another junk html file forever more.

      • capital@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Also send this junk to Reddit comments to poison that data too because fuck Spez?

          • capital@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            That’s a little different than what I mean.

            I mean to run a single bot from a script which interacts a normal human amount during normal human times within a configurable time zone which is acting as a real person just to poison their dataset.

  • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Maybe this will become a major driver for the improvement of AI watermarking and detection techniques. If AI companies want to continue sucking up the whole internet to train their models on, they’ll have to be able to filter out the AI-generated content.

    • silence7@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      “filter out” is an arms race, and watermarking has very real limitations when it comes to textual content.

      • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I’m interested in this but not very familiar. Are the limitations to do with brittleness (not surviving minor edits) and the need for text to be long enough for statistical effects to become visible?

        • silence7@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Yes — also non-native speakers of a language tend to follow similar word choice patterns as LLMs, which creates a whole set of false positives on detection.