Just take the string as bytes and hash it ffs

  • FierySpectre@lemmy.world
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    24 days ago

    Why would you not hash in the browser. Doing so makes sure the plaintext password never even gets to the server while still providing the same security.

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      24 days ago

      Because then the hash is the password. Someone could just send the hash instead of trying to find a password that gets the correct hash. You can’t trust the client that much.

      You can hash the password on both sides to make it work though.

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      24 days ago

      Because then that means you don’t salt your hashes, or that you distribute your salt to the browser for the hash. That’s bad.

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        You could salt it. Distributing a unique salt doesn’t help attackers much. Salt is for preventing precomputing attacks against a whole database. Attacking one password hash when you know the salt is still infeasible.

        It’s one of those things in security where there’s no particular reason to give your attacker information, but if you’ve otherwise done your job, it won’t be a big deal if they do.

        You don’t hash in the browser because it doesn’t help anything.

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          24 days ago

          It helps against the server being able to read the password, so a bad actor (either the website itself or after a hack) could read your password. Which isn’t bad if you’re using good password hygiene with random passwords, but that sadly is not the norm.

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              24 days ago

              For that particular website yes, but a salted client side hash is worthless on a different website.

              Edit: plus even unsalted it would only work if the algorithm is the same and less iterations are done

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      24 days ago

      With comments like this all over public security forums, it’s no wonder we have so many password database cracks.

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      24 days ago

      Per your edit, you’re misunderstanding what Bitwarden does and why it’s different than normal web site password storage.

      Bitwarden is meant to not have any insight into your stored passwords what so ever. Bitwarden never needs to verify that the passwords you’ve stored match your input later on. The password you type into Bitwarden to unlock it is strictly for decrypting the database, and that only happens client side. Bitwarden itself never needs to even get the master password on the server side (except for initial setup, perhaps). It’d be a breach of trust and security if they did. Their system only needs to store encrypted passwords that are never decrypted or matched on their server.

      Typical website auth isn’t like that. They have to actually match your transmitted password against what’s in their database. If you transmitted the hashed password from the client and a bad actor on the server intercepted it, they could just send the hashed password and the server would match it as usual.