Trump, the same Trump that killed boarder legislation because he didn’t want to give biden a win?
Not him, no, never.
Via user kingshrubb: Apparently she retracted her comments https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-cease-fire-talks-israel-woodruff-pbs.html
To all the "Harris and Trump are the same crowd, stop being so cowardly and try to say that shit here and now. Or don’t, and confirm that this whole time you were being wilfully ignorant because you enjoy purity politics nonsense.
So what’s Kamala’s strong stance on this genocide then?
Seems to me she doesn’t want to ruffle the feathers of AIPAC and the like. That’s not very inspiring. Hell, innocent people are dying in Gaza every day and she tells protestors “I’M TALKING”.
She is part of the problem. And so are you. ☺️
So what’s Kamala’s strong stance on this genocide then?
Given the fact that Trump has told Netanyahu not to come to a ceasefire agreement with Harris… what do you think her stance on genocide is then? This isn’t rocket science-- Trump clearly knows a ceasefire agreement that involves Harris and Netanyahu is on the table.
Seems to me she doesn’t want to ruffle the feathers of AIPAC and the like. That’s not very inspiring. Hell, innocent people are dying in Gaza every day and she tells protestors “I’M TALKING”.
Is she POTUS yet? Can she tell Israel with any authority to do anything beyond her capacity as VP? Can you see why it would be absurdly presumptuous of her to do presidential things before she’s even been elected?
She is part of the problem. And so are you. ☺️
Again, why do you think Trump called Netanyahu and told him not to agree to a ceasefire with Dems?
That story was fake and the journalist apologized.
Not sure why people are downvoting you. I searched your claim and am surprised to see that yes you are right-- Judy Woodruff apologized for her statement last night and essentially retracted it. When you’re right, you’re right.
For anyone doubting, search it up yourself. I’m on my garbage phone and it takes too long to link stuff nicely on here.
So, I’ve tried searching it up myself. All I’ve been able to find is one article saying that one journalist, who was reporting from the DNC, had reported the story on live broadcast. She later stated that it wasn’t her reporting, but something she had seen reported elsewhere. There’s also, in that single article, a line about both Trump and Netanyahu denying that the phone call happened at all.
Trump at least isn’t the most reliable source, and I have doubts about Netanyahu always being truthful to media, western or otherwise.
That said, I’d definitely be willing to believe it isn’t true. I’d just like to see more than one article on the retraction.
Look up Woodruff’s Twitter account, her statement is on there. The conversation may very well have happened but Woodruff admits there’s no reliable source.
That got me there. So, could still very well have happened, but it’s rumour at this point.
Cheers
I probably could have provided sources, rather than just make bold statements without proof. lol Kinda my bad
The fact is she either wins the election or it won’t matter what she thinks. The administration cannot take a anti-Netanyahu/pro-Palestinian position right now without losing Jewish support, both voters and donors. I suspect post-election we’ll see Biden & Kamala suddenly become much more vocal against what Israel is doing.
I’d like to have a serious discussion with a “leftist” who is unwilling to sully themselves with a Harris vote.
It know it’s not possible because their politics are fed by their emotions but I’d love to know what they think Americans can accomplish in 2-3 months that will help keep trump out of office.
Fine, maybe they accept that there is nothing that can be done. Then I’d ask, how can you delude yourself into thinking a trump presidency will be no big deal? The answers gotta be they want to destabilize the government. If that’s true, I can’t see how they reconcile the human toll that comes with it.
I don’t want to see their lives turn to shit with everyone else’s but if they really think trump is the same grade of shit as the democrats it’s going to be a rude awakening. They are walking themselves off a ledge and I’m so pissed about it.
It’s true, humans have the ability to overcome great obstacles. The formula for that type of change has never been determined. Our influence must be measured and maybe they have. Maybe the calculus adds up. Except, I’ve gotten no indication they they are even willing to rationalize what they are asking for.
In 2016 we got maga’s. How cruel would it be if the political pendulum doesn’t swing and away toward justice and injustice but rather order and disorder. Isolated power to opposing isolated power.
If I were Kamala I’d disavow Isreal today. If I were biden I’d send Isreal 20 billion dollars worth of dog shit. Morally, though, I have take small actions that will set the course to what I want to see done. I don’t want to live in an America without democracy. So the choice is plain. Fascism is here? Of course it is, no one has stood up to it yet. By no one, I mean my neighbors. My brothers and sisters. My community. My local government. The federal government.
Sure we have descenters, but they cannot even stand on the high principles they have stood up.
Fine, maybe they accept that there is nothing that can be done. Then I’d ask, how can you delude yourself into thinking a trump presidency will be no big deal? The answers gotta be they want to destabilize the government. If that’s true, I can’t see how they reconcile the human toll that comes with it.
No, this is it exactly.
In some of their comment history and they are praising China and other authoritarian countries. They don’t care that it is state capitalism producing billionaires, just everything about the US is bad so anything anti-US is good. They want the US to collapse so China can expand influence. They don’t care about the human toll or will excuse it as means justified by the end.
Usually if they have that comment history you can get them to flip out just by stating their agenda. They do a long-ass theorypost in response. Also asking why Uyghur genocide is excusable will make them angry.
The ones who are not foreign to the US or extremely privileged children who believe they will be on a college campus in perpetuity, sheltered from Donald by mommy and daddy’s money.
Where I’m going with that is you can’t trade one human suffering for another. Especially with the moral absolution they espose. They live in a world where any time you want something done you go and hit the easy button. You want to stop the Genocide in Gaza; go hit the easy button or else the blood is on your hands.
It’s Iran-Contra all over again.
Boy, if this had happened twice I’d have two nickels.
OH WAIT
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory
Republicans just genuinely don’t have any original ideas.
“Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable with imprisonment for up to three years.”
I can only say: Lock him up!
I can only say: Lock him up!
…if convicted by a jury of his peers…
A jury of his peers could only be people that fail in business, sociopaths, pedophiles, and… former presidents?
A jury of his peers have convicted him before. It’s the judges he seated that are the biggest problem.
Well yes ofcourse, I kinda forgot that’s not always to be taken for granted :-]
Pretrial detention would be appropriate for someone with a history of attempted witness intimidation and with the means to flee the country
I’m gonna need more than somebody’s social media post on this.
😂You really think Judy Woodruff is gonna put her reputation on the line by spreading BS? Good lord…
I don’t see any indication that she’s related to this. Anyone can put a picture of anyone near some text, and claim that they are quoting that person.
Google it. It’s on her Twitter account. She said it but she recently apologized and said she got it wrong.
I could, but that’s not the point. The point is that someone posted a picture of some text, without any sources. And that when someone asks for a shred of proof, some people don’t get why. This is very important.
And this is what I’m trying to tell you, and anyone else reading. A picture of text is not reliable, and it does not help that there’s also a picture of someone you trust. The guy asking for proof is the sensible voice, not the voice of a person with issues.
OP did follow up with proof though, people who are too lazy to Google the quote are also too lazy to read OPs proof and instead act like they should be spoon fed everything.
You right, ill change my title.
The rueters one doesn’t indicate anything about Trump talking to Bibi and discouraging him from setting up a peace deal.
To me it’s still relevant because it establishes that trump has an open line of communication to bibi and he is directly expressing to him his thoughts about the Genocide in Gaza.
Wish there was more reporting around this.
- In his meeting with Netanyahu at Mar-a-Lago a day after the Fox News interview, Trump said the situation with the hostages is very tough and that they have to be returned immediately.
Yeah. The hostage situation is “very tough”. They’re not gonna ‘fix’ that for him its just right out there like that’s how leaders talk. As if. And, agreed, he couldn’t lead a Mongol horde out of a wet paper bag.
Non of those links confirm the tweet. Honestly this smells like fake news, as OP, has pointed out.
Possible replacement for that twitter link, here’s an article discussing Woodruff’s comments - https://web.archive.org/web/20240820213405/https://newrepublic.com/post/185076/donald-trump-scheme-beat-kamala-harris-benjamin-netanyahu-ceasefire
I would delete it but it’s too relevant to the meme. Alternative link to the dnc footage would be nice, tho.
Agreed. The “lady” is Judy Woodruff, PBS anchor and correspondent since it was the MacNeill-Lehrer News Hour, so it would greatly surprise me if she didn’t have some credible evidence behind “the reporting is”.
But I missed that moment last night, so I’d want to be sure she said it.
She did, see link above.
Complete tangent but how did you edit your comment without causing an edit mark to appear on it?
I edited it within a very short time after posting it. There’s some kind of “grace period” (at least on fedia.io), but I don’t know exactly what it is.
Reddit had a 2-3 min window to edit without it being marked as such; I haven’t noticed that on lemmy.world (dunno if it matters instance to instance).
Any edits on SJW are instantly marked
Edit 10 sec
I didn’t know Social Justice Warriors had an instance on Lemmy.
Oh… it’s just shit again. Haha.
Lol I was like “hold on, I’ve seen this one”
And Democrats will just allow the Republican to get away with treason ‘for the good of the country’, even though that’s how we got into this mess. If Nixon actually went to jail, this whole era of Republican dirty tricks and corruption would’ve never happened.
ARRROOOOO
theRe Really seems to be a common thRead between all these cRiminals that’s difficult to deteRmine.
Reagan did the same thing with the hostages in the embassy in Iran.
I feel like Nixon at least knew how to wear a suit.
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He also signed OSHA into law. His presidency is such a mixed bag.
If that’s true, it’s absolutely abominable.
And illegal
I don’t want an end to killing because the killing helps me.
The only reason I could believe it, is that it’s happened before. See: Reagan and the Iran hostages.
Still, I’m going to need a better source. This seems uncharacteristically competent.
Wow. What Dick move
Ooof. If true he probably just handed Harris Michigan.
Gonna need more proof though.
It is crazy to me that all of the “Genocide Joe” crowd don’t see that Netanyahu wants Trump to win so he can show the world what genocide actually looks like.
Well, not that crazy, considering a good portion of them are propagandists.
I’ve noticed a considerable lack of the usual suspects from that particular crowd in this thread.
How do we summon the Liberty Hub?
Just write that China is committing atrocities against the Uyghurs. It’s like the Bat Signal for authoritarians cosplaying as leftists on Lemmy.
Dunno, I’m not a summoner. I’ve seen either flying squid or ensign crab summon people somehow, but, as I’m too lazy to go look it up, it’s a power beyond my ability.
It all so closely resembles 2016. Remember the phantom Bernie Facebook groups? Remember “Bernie supporters” voting trump instead. They think we are idiots and some of us must be for falling for it, time, and time again.
Where is our little rogues gallery right now? Every single thread for every little detail any Dem does, they are reliably in the comments screeching. “How wretched is this miserable party to stoop so low, how despicable their voters!” But I haven’t seen any of them in this thread.
People will keep dying, but that’s okay.
/s
It’s a sacrifice he’s willing to make.
Something, something, Iran Hostage Crisis, something, something, more bullshit from the Reagan playbook
the same Trump that killed boarder legislation
You’re giving Trump way too much credit. Republicans couldn’t pass a border bill under Bush Jr, when they had all three branches of government firmly in hand and “Protecting the Border” was a major campaign issue. A big chunk of the GOP wants to literally do a holocaust followed by a massive land grab along the US/Mexico border. Any legislation that doesn’t grant this is DOA in the Republican-controlled House.
Trump got to be the face of why it failed this time. But it was Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo back in 2006. And it was Cornyn, McCain, and Graham who killed it in 2011. Then Republicans killed their own Border Security and Immigration Reform Act of 2018, back when it might have helped Trump.
Its so fucking easy to kill immigration bills in Congress. Nobody likes voting for them. Anything that can even be hinted at increasing the amount of legal immigration is a poisoned pill. They always fail.
So like the alleged deal between the Reagan campaign and Iran during the hostage crisis to get elected and oust Carter?
What do you mean? Oliver North took all the blame!
I do not recall.
Oh no, you’re thinking of Iran-Contra, the other treasonous act that Reagan committed involving Iran. OP is talking about the rumored deal Reagan made with Iran wherein Iran would not release the American hostages until after the 1980 election. Coincidentally, the hostages were released on January 20th, 1981, the day Reagan was sworn in.
Sidenote, has anyone seen the Netflix documentary about the octopus murders? I think the proof that Reagan made that deal is at the heart of that conspiracy.
I highly recommend watching American Conspiracy on Netflix. The way the CIA and government actually operates is pretty disturbing, but the subject of the documentary is how the justice department stole a software program from a private company and resold it to foreign governments so that it could raise funds to repay Earl Brian, who had provided $40 million to Iran to hold the hostages until after the election.
Aw shucks. You know just when you think you hone in on one depraved scandal of Reagan, you realize you’re mixing it up with another depraved scandal of Reagan.
🎶 Ollie North 🎶 OLLIE NORTH 🎶
Or Kissinger and North Vietnam to get Nixon elected. It’s a time honored Republican strategy.
