• Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
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      Basically yes? Antichrist is pluralized in the Bible in places and thus is not necessarily one individual. The false Prophets are described similarly.

      Most of the pop culture picture of the Antichrist as a more singular entity is more like the Thessalonians “the man of sin”… Also known as the Man of Lawlessness, Apostasy, Insurrection, rebellion… One particularly agregious Antichrist that Jesus himself must come down and take out with a breath that exposes his naked wickedness to the worshipping masses who will realize that they are not among the saved. It’s sometimes interpreted that this kicks off the second coming but it doesn’t actually say that… It just says it happens sometime before the end of days which could mean it’s distinctly apart from and not feature of the revelation. Like some kind of Jesus warm up cameo.

      Really its kind of tempting to paint Trump and Evengelicals in that role. He wouldn’t be the first nasty to wrap himself up in an altar cloth.

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          No, I was 16 in 2016 and already fucking hated him and I voted for Biden in 2020. Anyways I was making a joke about your misspelling, you wrote profit which has to do with economics rather than prophet which has to do with religious and supernatural shit.

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    I was raised religious and boy oh boy, let me tell ya, this guy ticks off so many checkboxes is not even a competition. Peak false prophet/antichrist criteria.

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    There was an article a while a go where someone looked into how the bible describes the anti-christ and while they initially did it just for fun, it became a bit more eerie, when Trump started hitting checkbox after checkbox after checkbox, leaving out pretty much none of them…

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    I have family that believe trump is necessary for Christianity to win and that I and my step-siblings are only safe because they are intervening for us. This is in central Ohio from evangelicals.

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        The thought previously crossed my mind, but I don’t think that’s what they’re going for and don’t want to put any more strain on that relationship (people are more likely to be un-radicalized when family don’t just pretend they no longer exist and I’d rather not create more conflict without a clear purpose and push them further into extremism).

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    Having been raised in a Catholic country and a fairly conservative parish, I truly don’t understand the Christian votes for Trump

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      America has two christianities. And not in the normal “Protestants and Catholics are on the verge of another 30 years war at each other” way. But regardless of denomination we have groups of Christian’s who see Christianity not as a set of beliefs and duties but as an in group and tool to persecute those they don’t like. Trump is the guy who tells them that the reason things are bad is those dirty non Christians (which many American Protestants include Catholics in for some gods forsaken reason). He offers them power in exchange for looking the other way from his sins

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        The scary thing is that he didn’t invent that concept. It has been raging since before the Satanic Panic. He just gave those people a platform.

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          Yup. This goes back to the Southern strategy which was brought to the fore by the Nixon campaign (although it was in play since before then). From that era we also get this chilling warning from Barry Goldwater:

          Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.

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          Yeah I don’t want to say it’s an inevitable result of the bizarre fusion of Calvinism and Baptists that permeates American Protestant culture, but it certainly feels like that fusion has a strong lean in this direction.

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            There have been a lot of good books in the last few years about how Christian came to be so culturally interchangable with Republican. One I read and got a lot out of was “Jesus & John Wayne”, and the author does a good job tracking the rightward shift from a lot of different organizations and how they were able to permeate through multiple denominations. Just sharing in case anyone wants to go look at some of these connections themselves.

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    It’s a good thing I guess but a ‘prophet’? Is that what these people believe? He’s a dangerous, sleazy grifter. Always has been, always will be.

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    On the one hand I really don’t want their support or misguided views and priorities distracting or pushing Harris off course.

    On the other hand fracturing a significant slice of the conservative base into not voting or voting against Trump would be delicious, especially if it meant more congressional and state seats to go blue because of it.

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    This is more on the right track for how to de-cult people like Trump. Need more anti-Trump conspiracy theories and weirdo prophecies to get through to the crazies.

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    He’s one of the horses that the 4 horsemen are riding. And he’s jumping the republicans as hard and fast as he can. It’s not how long you make it, is how you make it long. Unfortunately for him, he’s basically flat and smooth down there. One would get more pleasure from someone rubbing a pimple between their republican butts. Meanwhile the true horseman has made their move invisibly. But the move is visible, we have judges who don’t have our backs, we have laws that diminished the Rights of women, LGBTQA and other minorities. Where’s the horseman? We know where trump is but he’s so dumb he couldn’t plan breakfast, much less cause laws.

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    Biblically, there isn’t an antichrist. It’s not a proper noun, there’s not just one. Most Americans’ understanding of eschatology comes straight from Left Behind (and further back, Scofield), which has little connection to the actual text. (The number of Christians who refer to RevelationS, when the tittle of the text has no “s”….)

    And I’d say Trump is definitely “anti-Christ.”

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      1 John 2:18 uses it both as a proper noun and as a generic noun, and nowadays “Antichrist” is more a colloquial name for the first beast of Revelation 13 even if that’s not directly what the text clearly calls him.

      Regardless, I agree Trump is very anti-Christ. Hard to read 1 John 4 and not see almost the opposite of him.