There are two choices in the 2020 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these three statements do you disagree with?
No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning.
I live in a blue state, so by that same logic my vote for Harris would be wasted. She’ll win my state whether I vote for her or not, so I might as well vote for a third party. At least that way, I can help the Greens get to that crucial 5% we need for funding.
Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
Guess she better focus on winning over leftists, then.
Why do Democrats always act like it’s the voters’ responsibility to get their candidates elected, instead of their candidates’ responsibility to win over voters?
If Harris wants those votes, then she should tell Israel to move to a ceasefire or she’ll enact an arms embargo. Quit giving Israel money! Simple as.
Greens are a fake party, bankrolled largely by Republican donors and infiltrated heavily by foreign interests for obvious reasons. Don’t do it. I’ve been down that road years ago.
Blue states can flip; and what you’re proposing here is precisely what right-wing operatives are hoping for. I hope you’re not intentionally playing into their hand because if many voters voted like you, then that would jeopardize the state to Republicans. Forgetting the fact that down-ballot races are just as critical.
Guess she better focus on winning over leftists, then.
If only catering to leftists wouldn’t lose critical votes elsewhere. Zero sum.
Why do Democrats always act like it’s the voters’ responsibility to get their candidates elected, instead of their candidates’ responsibility to win over voters?
Why do these Pyrrhic victory leftists largely in their youth always seem to forget that they’re not representative of the wider electorate and that all the strategizing ceases to exist post-Primaries? It is now time to fall in line to prevent the far-worse candidate from getting elected. I’m progressive-left, but we need a sense of pragmatism and unity in this eleventh-hour.
… Hence why the entire progressive coalition from AOC to Bernie Sanders are onboard with Harris.
Just realize you’re playing with fire, and you may very well cause Trump to win — which will ultimately cause far more pain for Palestinians.
Who said she’s not trying to end genocide? Straw-man fallacy.
Most, not all; you need to start looking at cross-tabs and understanding statistics. Start isolating Jewish-Americans and comparing population size to those staunch progressive and Muslim communities. There’s a reason it was a big deal for Harris to come out as strongly as she did following her meeting with Netanyahu, because it threaded the needle between both groups of the Democratic coalition instrumental in getting Harris elected and ensuring Trump DOESN’T win. Odds are very good that following the election, a Harris administration will become increasingly cold to Netanyahu. It’s quite clear the current Biden administration is fed up with Bibi, but there’s a lot of risk of pulling out aid to Israel months before an election which will then be spun by one of the largest lobbyists, AIPAC, combined with Republicans painting them as anti-semitic. And god forbid if Netanyahu just so happens to ignore intelligence reports again and let’s a false-flag terrorist event happen again after US aid withdrawal — which would then sink the Democrats. THESE are the things you need to start thinking about.
I think you mean the 2024 election in the first point.
That said, just for my understanding, would Harris alienate a different segment of voters if she went hard against Israel’s genocide? Is her support for Israel out of political compromise or personal conviction?
Representatives should not govern by personal conviction. They have mandates. It’s their job to reconcile their personal beliefs with the needs of the people. Just because a Christian is in the white house it should not mean we all have to goto mass.
Political compromise is what Gaza supporters are asking for.
Now go ahead and tell everyone they, “support genocide.” Sinece that’s what you wanted all along.
I’ll focus on number 2, a Trump victory would be terrible, but you didn’t say anything about Kamala. The root cause of our issues is capitalism/techo-feudalism, and kicking the stone down the road for 4 years accomplishes nothing. What is Kamala’s plan to bring Socialism to America?
Why?
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these three statements do you disagree with?
I live in a blue state, so by that same logic my vote for Harris would be wasted. She’ll win my state whether I vote for her or not, so I might as well vote for a third party. At least that way, I can help the Greens get to that crucial 5% we need for funding.
Guess she better focus on winning over leftists, then.
Why do Democrats always act like it’s the voters’ responsibility to get their candidates elected, instead of their candidates’ responsibility to win over voters?
If Harris wants those votes, then she should tell Israel to move to a ceasefire or she’ll enact an arms embargo. Quit giving Israel money! Simple as.
Greens are a fake party, bankrolled largely by Republican donors and infiltrated heavily by foreign interests for obvious reasons. Don’t do it. I’ve been down that road years ago.
Blue states can flip; and what you’re proposing here is precisely what right-wing operatives are hoping for. I hope you’re not intentionally playing into their hand because if many voters voted like you, then that would jeopardize the state to Republicans. Forgetting the fact that down-ballot races are just as critical.
If only catering to leftists wouldn’t lose critical votes elsewhere. Zero sum.
Why do these Pyrrhic victory leftists largely in their youth always seem to forget that they’re not representative of the wider electorate and that all the strategizing ceases to exist post-Primaries? It is now time to fall in line to prevent the far-worse candidate from getting elected. I’m progressive-left, but we need a sense of pragmatism and unity in this eleventh-hour.
… Hence why the entire progressive coalition from AOC to Bernie Sanders are onboard with Harris.
Just realize you’re playing with fire, and you may very well cause Trump to win — which will ultimately cause far more pain for Palestinians.
Yes, and standing up for labor loses votes from billionaires. What’s your point?
Whose votes would she be losing? Most people support a ceasefire.
Besides, a good presidential candidate is a leader who does the right thing and uses persuasion to win over naysayers.
Who said she’s not trying to end genocide? Straw-man fallacy.
Most, not all; you need to start looking at cross-tabs and understanding statistics. Start isolating Jewish-Americans and comparing population size to those staunch progressive and Muslim communities. There’s a reason it was a big deal for Harris to come out as strongly as she did following her meeting with Netanyahu, because it threaded the needle between both groups of the Democratic coalition instrumental in getting Harris elected and ensuring Trump DOESN’T win. Odds are very good that following the election, a Harris administration will become increasingly cold to Netanyahu. It’s quite clear the current Biden administration is fed up with Bibi, but there’s a lot of risk of pulling out aid to Israel months before an election which will then be spun by one of the largest lobbyists, AIPAC, combined with Republicans painting them as anti-semitic. And god forbid if Netanyahu just so happens to ignore intelligence reports again and let’s a false-flag terrorist event happen again after US aid withdrawal — which would then sink the Democrats. THESE are the things you need to start thinking about.
I think you mean the 2024 election in the first point.
That said, just for my understanding, would Harris alienate a different segment of voters if she went hard against Israel’s genocide? Is her support for Israel out of political compromise or personal conviction?
Representatives should not govern by personal conviction. They have mandates. It’s their job to reconcile their personal beliefs with the needs of the people. Just because a Christian is in the white house it should not mean we all have to goto mass.
Political compromise is what Gaza supporters are asking for.
Now go ahead and tell everyone they, “support genocide.” Sinece that’s what you wanted all along.
Gaza supporters are asking for an arms embargo on Israel.
I’ll focus on number 2, a Trump victory would be terrible, but you didn’t say anything about Kamala. The root cause of our issues is capitalism/techo-feudalism, and kicking the stone down the road for 4 years accomplishes nothing. What is Kamala’s plan to bring Socialism to America?
What does it mean to you?