Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
Is this considered vegan meat?
Yes is it, as no animal is harmed:
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.”As vegan as it gets, I’d wager. You need to take an initial sample to cultivate the meat from, which obviously isn’t vegan, but to my knowledge, the rest doesn’t require any further samples
Likely depends on what’s needed/used as feed
Can’t speak for this specific kit but in general: A big problem with lab grown meat and cell tissue culture is that to grow cells in vitro you usually need fetal calf serum. That’s a liquid from, well, cow abortions basically, that contains a plethora of different molecules like growth factors and mediators. As far as I know, there is no vegan alternative to this yet. We are talking about a liquid here whose composition is really complex, so it’s a really big task to create a plant based FCS alternative that performs just as well.
Tldr: probably the set contains a liquid made from cows.
What about this post has anything to do with vеgаnism BudgetBandit
Isn’t cannibalism a good way to get prion based diseases? Or is that only if you eat other people
You can’t eat the brain. AFIK, never tried human.
You can’t eat the brain.
Shouldn’t
If you’re eating yourself, no. If you have a disease to pass on, you can’t catch the disease, because you already have it.
You mean to say you can’t get STDs if you fuck yourself?
Yeah, same principle.
The perfect gift for RimWorld players.
Hush, its so imperfect, it only makes meat, not Cowboy Hats made out of Cowboys
I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
But it’s still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?
If you’re eating yourself I think it’s autophagy
This is unironically one of my favourite questions to ask new friends. I’ve gotten a variety of answers, but my own response has always been yes, if the person was healthy and had clearly consented.
In my opinion, cannibalism is bad for two main reasons, 1) it can be unsafe if the person was ill, the meat has spoiled, or if it’s done too often (this has been studied in cannibalistic rituals) and 2) it’s unethical if the person doesn’t consent to it.
Eating animal meat is non consensual and there can be diseases in there too - many people have died from it. Just because it’s more socially acceptable, I don’t really see it as an ethically better decision.
I would 100% at least try my own home grown meat cells.
Damn, I love your response, even though I don’t know of I agree! Are you Vegan?
I personally see it as No, because I see us humans as special. Speaking as an atheist, end of day, we are special as humans.
I eat meat, I try to limit it to the ethically harvested. Hunted, family farm grown, it even tastes the best, any concerns aside. But eating a person is WRONG, consent or no.
I’m not vegan or vegetarian anymore because I have a lot of allergies that prevent me from eating plant based anything. But I also try to limit it to locally and ethically harvested when I do eat meat.
I identify as agnostic and definitely don’t believe that any one living being is better or more special than the others (except maybe cats).
Why is it wrong though? And why/how are people special? You didn’t provide any reasoning to either.
It’s interesting that you ask if they are vegan, as if understanding the ethical problems of eating meat would only be valid if you are also strictly vegan.
You evidently understand it is not completely ethically correct to eat animals in all circumstances, as you say you only eat ethically harvested meat. But you also say you believe humans to be special as a reason to eat animals, so why not eat all animals under all circumstances?
The main point though, why would it still be wrong to eat human meat if lab grown and consensual?
would you be OK with eating them
are they yummy ?
Haven’t tried it, you’ll have to make your own judgement there!
So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it’s technically not the same thing. [Edit: Personally, it’s a bit of a tossup in my mind. I don’t think it’s unethical, but it’s still a weird thing]
Yeah, I’m also unsure how I feel about it, I asked because it’s such a strange thing to think about
We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the person’s life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I’d still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.
In the current hypothetical:
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It’s screened, you can’t legally sell prion meat
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It’s taken nonlethally as a sample from a consenting human, possibly you
Ethical
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stealing other people’s cells to eat them
This will become a sex thing for sure
There’s a (pretty great) movie where cannibalism is treated as a substitute for sex. It’s called Aamis.
I made a post about that a while ago: https://feddit.uk/post/14228639
Well if they combine that with 3D printed cell scaffolds they can eventually make a flesh fleshlight out of their own cells
The time is coming for the most involved “go fuck yourself” ever.
Streets ahead
3D printed cell scaffolds combined with this mean you can shape them
Now I wonder if someone has actually tried making a dildo from cultured flesh and skin
As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
Even if you did, while super weird as long as you didn’t get the cells through violence it’s probably still more ethical than the meat industry.
You can probably use some violence and still come out ahead. I don’t know how to do that math though.
And what if you don’t own a Honda?
By what technicality this isn’t cannibalism?
Well it’s not actually available yet (and perhaps won’t ever be), so it’s more cantibalism.
I would call it auto-cannibalism. I think it is a form of cannibalism.
What if you have cancer and don’t know it, and just accidentally happen to grow a tumour for dinner?
It’s not a toomah!
How do you know the cancer won’t make it tastier?
Then you have your starter meat and can start the age old tradition of passing it down from generation to generation so that they can keep making You Steaks forever.
“My great-great grandpa/ma sure is delicious!”
Man-made man-steaks beyond my comprehension
Of course it’s ethical, unless I’m seriously misunderstanding something you literally have to make the decision to buy it and then partake in it.
I guess you can use it unethically but by default intended usage it’s fine
Incoming: nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
But how else will we know which neighbor tastes the best?
Wasn’t there a short story about this?
nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
Meat is already produced without consent and much more violently then taking samples.
Imagine the network of Taylor Swift DNA trading.
And you know someone is going to fuck it.
I think these are the plots to at least two Cronenberg family films.
What are the ethics of fucking a steak made from a non-consenting Taylor Swift’s tissue sample?
You aren’t seeing the big picture here…hear me out:
TRUMP STEAKS, but the real deal this time!!!
Unethical??
I’d agree that taking the sample is unethical, but if you’re growing the steak from a sample someone else got or fucking it the ethical lines get really blurry.
Idk, I don’t think they’re that blurry if we compare them to similar “conundrums” in other unethical circumstances.
Like, would you think the same of someone owning child porn? They don’t distribute it, they don’t film the children themselves, they just own the recordings. The law says they’re a criminal, but it seems like a similar ethical conundrum - no? (To be clear, I think eating meat sourced from someone who did not consent is wrong. I hope that says enough about how I feel about CP.)
How about owning the schematics for a ghost gun? You haven’t printed it, you haven’t distributed the schematic - you just own the schematic (and, for the purpose of the example, a 3d printer capable of printing the parts needed).
Seems like the answer is “it’s unethical”. Gonna need a third party to weigh in.
The closest thing to this exact situation would be the HeLa immortal cell line and that situation is fuzzy as fuck.
HeLa immortal cell line
TIL, thanks!
So I think it’s more like if u got a papermache piñata from some one that just so happened to be made of child porn and then u fucked that… Yeah seems unethical to me
Fuck, I’ve always wanted to eat human meat anyway. I’d kill for a sample like this. I don’t care about morals here. I’m a vegetarian. I just want to know. If my buddy was like “ayy we’re eating Dan from accounting’s arm tonight” I’d be there with no questions asked. The police can sort it out.
You can eat placenta, if you really want to eat human.
I mean, if you’d kill for that you don’t need the kit.
I’d kill for a sample like this.
oh boy do I have something to tell you
I don’t want to eat human meat, but I don’t mind if you kill that asshole from accounting.
Fun fact : Human meat is an excellent source of protein 🤓
Thats what im thinking- i rarely eat meat but how could i pass up ethical long pig? Im too curious
I bet I taste delicious!
This is ethical despite it walking the line of taboo. It hurts no one, and if the tissue sample can be extracted at home without causing damage to the donor I see no issue with it.
It’s unethical because it’s gross and I personally don’t like it.
This guy understands the root of ethics
It’s ethical relativism y’all!
I mean it worked for gay sex!
Anyone who doesn’t like gay sex hasn’t tried it.
Meh, not everyone is good at sex no matter the proclivity
Why not take the cells of farm animals and create steaks, etc?
Haha I’ve been saying for fucking years that boutique lab growing meat outlets will pop up selling exotic animal meats and celebrity human meat. We are getting close to that future
Its not the ‘eat the rich’ that I was hoping for… Might be the one we deserve.
Eat the rich (onlyfans celebrities).
Oh God, the amount of people lining up to buy an OF persons meat…
😬
They can include the bath water for half price so you can make soup!
“I’ll take a burger, mediums rare, & let’s do a 50/50 blend of Ground Chuck & Beyoncé on Sourdough.”
Ground Chuck
Palahniuk or Norris?
Republican meat is ewwh
Palahniuk it is then
The former seems more appropriate.
Palahnuik has written an auto cannibalism scene. In Haunted, girl passes out, other people decide to eat her (framing story is that it’s a reality tv show, but they all want it to go wrong and kill each other, it is extremely fucked up and is where “Guts” is from if you’ve ever been subjected to that). She wakes up to the smell of her own ass in the microwave.
Woolery. Dry aged, of course.
Wreched vore future unlocked.
What are the chances this doesn’t result in a rise of (traditional) cannibalism? High profile cannibalism case where they tasted a sample of a celebrity and went for the real deal.
That wasn’t on my bingo card…
I mean… its definitely ethical, its just also freak behaviour 😅
“Hey hon, get in here. I want you to try this”
Damn I just realized that guys will of course try to make dick meat
To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical. I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird, but not unethical.
To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical.
I think most people would actually consider factory farming unethical, they just put the blame on the producers for treating animals like shit. And the producers are locked into a race to the bottom for competitive prices, so they’d blame the customers/market conditions.
I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird,
I mean, it’s basically homemade spam. It’s kinda weird.
