Claims to be European
Oh! instead of Oi!
Talk to your DNA, maybe you can convince it that the world has changed and there’s no need to be an european peasant anymore.
The best weight loss advice I ever got was when my doctor said “Based on your BMI you’re eating about twice what you should.”
Since I was extremely house-poor at the time, I thought “Sweet, I can cut my grocery bills in half.”
That, combined with living alone and a lot of yardwork keeping the house presentable got me to my ideal weight in about six months.
I’ve since moved and am no longer at my ideal weight.
Bet she doesn’t lift. Lift heavy women.
Try getting into biking. I burn 1500-2000 calories (I’m not a small dude) in like 2 hours of road cycling. It’s relatively easy on the body compared to running as a bonus.
Are you sure about that number?
According to my tracker, I burn about 1000kcal per 60km, and I’m an normal dude. You probably won’t average 50km/h over 2h or something.
Given weight and road grade plays a role, they don’t need to average 50km/h necessarily. Still, 1kcal/hour seems quite intense for a regular exercise for me, but similarly large professional-level endurance athletes probably burn far more during serious training or competitions. 750kcal/hr seems manageable to me as a non-athletic person (supposedly I’ve burned 2340 calories over 2.7hours once… but I was totally wiped out afterwards IIRC). 1K/hr isn’t something I could maintain for more than about 1.5 hours even on the best of days.
Bruh unless you’re like 900 lbs barefoot uphill in the snow both ways you are not burning 1000 kcal/hr on a bicycle. Make sure you’ve input all your vital stats onto your fitness tracker correctly, and consider comparing it to a few others.
Oh also another thing to check is weather your fitness tracker is reporting active calories or total calories burned. If it is the second one it’s giving you a feel-good number that includes calories you would have burned just by sitting on the couch staying alive. If your fitness tracker isn’t calculating a BMR you can estimate your Base Metabolic Rate fairly accurately with a calculator like this one.
Those numbers seem to be a bit on the high end, but otherwise I generally agree about cycling being awesome.
Yes cycling is the absolute best endurance sport, and it’s fun. Swimming is also great but very few people can swim to work or swim to the bar or swim to the grocery store.
And fuck running. Your knees and ankles will thank you for cycling.
But why does excersize have to suck so much.
Like if I wanted my muscles to hurt I could just slap em with a belt or if I wanted to gasp for breath… I could also use a belt.
Like I have “slow-twitch” muscles which means I’m better running I guess, but then Jesus fuck that hurts my knees and feet, which I could probably use a belt to cause pain to as well.
Because it does suck, but it’s necessary since we structured our society so that we sit around 90% of the time rather than naturally exercising by walking around all day.
Play a sport you enjoy or start rock climbing. It can be fun.
Ever tried cycling? It’s relatively easy on the knees and you can vary intensity and duration to your liking.
… Do you want to be slapped with a belt? We can certainly accommodate that request
No, but I do see how you might get that interpretation.
Well your comment certainly gave off that vibe
When I get out of shape it takes a good 2-4 weeks of consistent exercise for things to transition from feeling like premature death to actually feeling good. If you’ve never made it to the feeling good part, I would imagine it’s rather challenging to motivate yourself through the “feels like premature death” phase.
I enjoy sore muscles, I know if I don’t go the gym I will feel worse, I know if I go I will be sore but feel better, still it takes conscious effort to go, though I may have adhd and an issue with developing habits
Because you’re doing something you don’t like doing? My main exercise these days is hiking but I used to go to the gym 2h a day 5 years ago and 10 years ago it was rock climbing… You wouldn’t see me play hockey or soccer though.
Muscle soreness mostly goes away after a while when doing strength exercise. I kind of miss it, to be honest - it’s a clear signal that you’ve accomplished something.
As for running, it is indeed quite hard on everything. I generally prefer biking, which I find a lot more fun and less straining on the body.
As for running, it is indeed quite hard on everything. I generally prefer biking, which I find a lot more fun and less straining on the body.
Until you crash, and then it takes you forever to heal as you get older. Swimming is good, but if you’ve spent your whole life in the water like I have, you wind up with burnt out rotator cuffs, etc.
Basically, any repetitive exercise will destroy you over time. Best to mix it up as much as possible
I guess you could go stationary if you want to eliminate the risk of crashing.
These days you can make cool setups where you turn and the resistance changes based on the slopes you get on-screen. I should probably get something like this to add more cardio on my mostly-strength current routine. I have a real bike and love riding it but I’m too sensitive to the weather conditions and use it as an excuse not to go out, I’ve been successful in my home gym because it’s there whether it rains, hails or snows, don’t even need to put on my shoes lmao.
Yeah I hate almost any and all forms of exercise. I picked up running back in March because people say exercise improves your mental health.
No it fucking doesn’t. I’m still doing it every few days and it does not at all improve my mental health. Also running fucking sucks. People who enjoy it are psychopaths.
Figured I’d keep at it for now though. I don’t run super far or fast. I run a bit over 3 miles every few days. It still sucks every time.
Maybe swimming or cycling is more your kind of sport.
Nah, I hate them too. The only form of exercise I actually seem to enjoy is dancing actually. But unfortunately as an adult, I have a harder time with it. I found a dance studio last year that catered to adult students. But the drive after work was just so far (30+ minutes) and I was so wiped from work that I just found it not a great experience (despite enjoying the workout itself) so I stopped. If there was a dance studio down the street from me that did adult classes, I’d be on board.
I continue running because it’s so easy to fit it in before work and easier to measure my metrics as opposed to some of these other forms of exercise. The park is a 5 min drive from me.
It’s like…yeah I could bike before work instead, but I don’t have a way to transport my bike to the local park, so it wouldn’t be as efficient of a bike ride waiting to cross busy intersections…not to mention significantly more dangerous with how fast the traffic goes (it’s a 45mph road, but cars like to go above 60mph and somehow don’t get pulled over by the police…).
I was biking a bit last year, but running just works out better for my particular scenario.
I do have access to a swimming pool, but I don’t have the technique and just find it so monitonous. At least with running in the park, I get to look at the trees and birds and other runners.
Running sucks ass, but cycling is fun. You just need to find something you enjoy
Cycling and swimming as well sucks less than both. Significantly better for your joints and exercises pretty much all muscles. Downside is that not everyone has access to a pool regularly.
Nah cycling still sucks. Like I said, most forms of exercise suck ass. Y’all are just crazy.
Seconded. Cycling is the only form of exercise I can motivate myself to do. Without cycling I’d probably be dead already.
3 miles is not that much. Less than a 5k. I didn’t really start to enjoy running until I got up over 10k (about 7 miles).
There’s a point you reach where instead of feeling like shit the whole time, you actually feel good and it seems like you can run forever. Then when you stop it’s because you’re tired, not because your body is screaming in pain.
Also are you panting / breathing from your mouth really hard in the middle of your run? That’s a sign that you’re not pacing yourself correctly. You should be able to run smoothly while breathing in through your nose and out through your mouth. Pacing yourself incorrectly pushes you into the anaerobic zone which is only good for sprinting, not running long distances.
Imagine telling someone you hate doing something and they just tell you you need to work harder at it or do more of it. It’s a bit offensive, don’t you think?
Yes, is already said I don’t run that far or fast. No need to rub it in or brag at how much farther you can run. I do run a 5k each time, but “a bit over 3 miles” sounded less pretentious to say than “3.11 miles”. It takes me 32-36 minutes depending on the day and route. It’s slow.
I have no interest in running much farther of a distance. My time in the mornings before work is limited and I live in a very hot climate where I only get a very brief period after the sun rises before the heat is unbearable for running. In my area, people do run in the full sun when it’s 99F, but I personally cannot do that. If I accidentally start a run too late in the morning, I end up regretting it because of the heat. No, I don’t have any interest in running in the dark or running on a treadmill at a gym. Might eventually make my way up to 8k when it gets cooler out, but we’ll see. Def not going to be running farther than that.
Go walk. Or if you want to burn a lot of energy, swim.
But why does excersize have to suck so much.
because exercise is the wrong way to do it IMO.
It’s the clinical version of, just being fit instead.
go running, do cardio, ride a bike, do some heavy labor, you’ll be equally as fit, with less muscle mass, and better equipped to do most things throughout life, plus you aren’t doing test or some shit, because you don’t care about the looks.
Also, as far as running goes, it really sucks when you’re out of shape, but if you keep doing it, eventually you’ll get in shape, and while it’s still tiring and makes you sweaty, and generally hard on your body, you will eventually start to run without feeling like utter shit. (also you should do it daily, just don’t overdo it on a daily basis and you’ll be fine) i’m not subscribed to the idea of work hard, recover, and then do it all over again, i’m more a fan of constant
If you’re essentially sedentary you should probably start with walking first, to build up some physical endurance in your legs. That’s one of the nice things about running, you can do it for whatever, however you want, whenever you want. You can’t run for 3 miles straight? Guess what, you don’t have to. You can just walk half of it if you want.
granted i’m a bit of a masochist and enjoy uncomfortable shit like this, i think it’s something you have to learn to enjoy. You just start to tune everything out and focus only on the running, it’s a nice experience. Personally, once i got past being physically fucking tired, i started to be able to focus on breathing and movement, and once you have a good stride, it’s generally very pleasant. Cycling is also good cardio, but it’s a lot easier on the body, you can take it pretty casually as well.
When I first started running, I jogged, which was actually barely more than my walking speed, for 10m, than walked 10m. Eventually you start jogging longer and walking less. If you find a good distance for you, for me it was 5k, I just started trying to go faster. Speed up for 20m, back to jogging, speed up, etc, etc until you can sustain that new speed throughout the run. Went from dying after 50m to running 5k in sub 20 min and 10k in sub 50 in like 8 months and losing 20 kg in the process.
I always hated the first 10 to 15 minutes of my runs, but once I got passed that I got into a flow state of sorts and it was meditative.
yeah this is a great TL;DR of half of my comment lmao.
Says exercise is the wrong way to be healthy.
Recommends exercise instead.
If your knees hurt, replace the insoles in your exercise shoes with some good ones. These are good, and not expensive:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IELL7IU
It’s a secret that most athletes replace their insoles. Also, skinny people who run a little might not do it because they don’t weigh enough to hurt their knees.
Shhh, don’t tell anyone.
Simple, because you never do it. All forms of cardio are unpleasant when you are completely out of shape. It gets better rather quickly if you keep at it and once you have some endurance it is actually fun.
Athletic people tend to say that, but I really doubt it’s true for everyone. I have never enjoyed sport - being out of shape it sucked more, but while maintaining a sensible training regime I really dislike it as well. For me it’s about as enjoyable as doing housework. I do that too, but not for fun.
The only thing that has helped me is to accept that evolution is a bitch and biology is unfair; I will probably never enjoy working out, but I can do it anyway and find a form of exercise that is kinda okay and allows me to listen to good music while I do it.
For some people, “it will be fun one day” just sets a really unrealistic expectation.
Exercise doesn’t lose weight. Weight is 99% controlled by diet. Exercise will make you not feel like shit so you don’t use food as a dopamine hit. Which is why moderate exercise is better for weight loss. If your workout is making you feel like shit, that might be good for fitness and performance, but it still won’t lose weight faster, and now you are eating more to support recovery.
So there are two pathways exercise can impact weight.
Exercise -> psychology -> diet -> weight
Exercise -> calorie consumption -> weightThe first one just happens to be more impact because the second one does almost nothing at all. Any useful pathway has to hit diet because that’s 99% of weight (at least of the factors you have control over).
The key is to not eat the quarter pounder after exercise, even if your body cries for 3.
Kilos in the kitchen,
Grams in the gym.
People should stop seeing food intake as transactional (ie, I’m doing extra cardio so I can eat a muffin later) and just focus on maintaining a calorie deficit.
Yup, that’s the problem. If you run 5 miles you burn about 500 calories. Hardly enough to make up for even the fries in the meal. A lot of people overestimate calories burnt and underestimate calories consumed.
A bit of exercise every day is good for your heart, lungs, circulatory system etc. but it won’t make up to overcome an otherwise sedentary lifestyle if you don’t change your diet.
Exactly this, like obviously you should exercise, but when it comes to losing weight it’s really the diet that matters most.
I actually, within the span of about a year, went from 280 to 179 lbs through diet alone, I literally did no exercise. I’m 6’ btw.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t exactly recommend that, without exercise you’ll also be losing tons of muscle. But my point is that diet is incredibly powerful.
It’s the diet only in the sense that if you’re not careful you will just eat the extra that you’re burning, but if you keep eating the same and start being active when you weren’t, we can say that it’s being active that made you lose weight.
Sure, we can say it, people try to convince themselves of lots of things.
Input stays the same
Output changes
Me: “What changed? The output.”
You: “Sure, your can convince yourself of that”
Yep I’ve lost 30kg and by far the biggest thing that allowed me to achieve that was to start counting my calories. At first that’s all I did, only later I started to introduce weight lifting and exercise to prevent losing too much muscle and to start making them stronger and more visible.
Weight training also helps considerably, as while it doesn’t directly burn as many calories as intense cardio, bigger muscles require more calories to maintain, so by building muscle you’re increasing your resting calorie consumption
Totally. Also while you may not burn as many calories during the session itself compared to the same time doing hard cardio, your muscles stay “activated” for up to 48hrs after the session, continually making you burn more. And then like you said eventually once you have bigger muscles your daily expenditure is higher at all times.
Nah the key is to get rid of insanely calorie dense ultra processed garbage that digests in minutes and makes you feel like shit. Roast chicken breast with tons of herbs and it’s delicious - you can quite literally eat as much of that as you can physically handle and you wont gain weight. Plenty of ways to cook veggies that make them delicious. Fruits arent that many cals and fill you up. Unsweetened yogurt is the same cals per protein as protein powder. Dont eat cereal or half the packaged garbage in the grocery store. Just eat real food and it’s a million times easier to lose weight.
The number doesn’t matter - composition does. Workout a few times a week and eat like a human instead of a cow… Shockingly most people will end up fit.
But the real issue is that people are either too lazy, ignorant, or just plain stupid to figure out how to count calories and/or estimate their BMR.
It’s also funny how many people seem to not realize that they have to change habits permanently if they want permanent change.
Or ya know. Actually be stupid. Just lower the portions. If it doesn’t work, lower again. Do not starve yourself, but eat maybe half of what you eat normally if you are severly overweight - if not, drop 1/4th.
That and stop effing snacking.
I’m not saying losing weight is easy, but it is a simple math problem.
You don’t even have to exercise to lose weight. You just have to eat less food.
People are terrible at knowing how much food they’ve eaten. Thankfully, there are easy to use calorie trackers for your phone.
You’re fat because you eat too much.
People eat literal garbage and are shocked that walking 500m to a McDonald’s and back isn’t enough.
my body thinks I’m a generational athlete or something, I eat like a pig but it all goes into muscles and energy, so now I’m 52kg but hey if you need someone to run for an hour straight I’m your girl…
Well the issue here is that food companies have been pushing the calorie balance mantra, you can eat more as long as you exercise more, except studies have shown you cant, the mantra “you can’t outrun your diet” exists for a reason.
Kurzgesagt has a good video on the workout paradox https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s?si=KQUibk9D3Cj8sYyi
Renesaince Periodization is a good youtube channel for science backed methods for losing weight if you are interested, but spoiler alert, it takes a long time and you need to eat less for periods of up to 3 months then stay at that weight for the same amount of time before continuing your weight loss to avoid bounce backs and excessively diet fatigue
Kurzgesagt vid goes into some specific and recent research about how our body uses calories, but the idea that exercise can’t help much with weight loss seemed obvious to me just by looking at the numbers.
A brisk pace on a treadmill will burn 260 calories per hour. At a fast pace–which most people wouldn’t be able to keep up for an hour when starting out–it’s 680 calories. Meanwhile, a single 12oz can of Mountain Dew is 170 calories; simply cutting one can of soda out gets you more than halfway to a decent hour’s workout.
As the vid also states (and is supposedly to be covered more in an upcoming part 2), there are other benefits to exercise, but burning more calories that way is a fool’s errand.
But I want that can of Mountain Dew…
I admit to not watching that video, at least not yet. But the idea that a person can’t eat more while exercising seems to conflict with the first law of thermodynamics.
I cordially invite you or anyone else to sell the lazy among us on watching the video above. Dispel our concerns… if you dare.
The video says your immune systems and glands go into hyperdrive when you’re not working out, and give you chronic inflammation and stress. When you work out, your body’s other systems chill the fuck out and stop killing you, and in total you burn the same amount of energy.
The problem is that practical advice is often misinterpreted or misconstrued.
“the idea that a person can’t eat more while exercising”
You can, of course, eat more while exercising.
But you can’t eat much more while exercising, because running while eating is a choking hazard.
I’m kidding, but that is the nature of what I’m getting at.
But really–you can’t eat much more during the day because exercising just doesn’t burn much more calories. And eating a lot more calories is relatively trivial.
I haven’t yet watched it either, but I’ll take a punt. It’s very hard to apply the first law to bodies, because we ingest, burn, store, and excrete in very complicated ways. It’s not as simple as calories in vs calories burned.
In the end, it is though. Over time, If you create a calorie deficit, you lose weight and if you create a surplus, you gain weight.
However, how much you lose or gain depends on a lot of factors. And most importantly, when we lose weight, we are fighting millions of years of evolution to not eat. So the diet fatigue is real.
But if you take your current weight, measure your daily calorie intake for a week or two and then slightly reduce your daily calories below that intake, you will lose weight.
but- my doctor told me that although i’m bedridden, if i just start fasting, i’ll be able to walk without pain again 🧐🤌 /s
The gist of the video is that the brain is a really powerful regulator of how much energy you use. Do a ton of exercise and it’ll find energy savings elsewhere.
But as you build up muscles you constantly need more, even when not doing anything
I’m not sure I understand your point.
Each human has an amount of calories they burn even when they do nothing (the amount of calories you burn obviously goes up when doing things)
This basic calory burning or whatever it’s called in English is influenced by a few factors, one of them is how much muscle mass you have, those muscles need energy to simply exist, even when not exercising.
So people who regularly do sports indeed can eat more - they not only can eat more, they have to eat more (even when they do the exact same things as someone with less muscles)
As far as I understood the video this is true but not right away, our body ‘normally’ wastes a ton of calories on things like excessive immune responses so at any level of fitness between modern office worker and hunter gatherer your calorie requirement is unchanged as its just shifting that calorie consumption back to where its supposed to be. Past that point yeh you need a higher baseline amount to keep going.
Yes. But this is talking about trying to lose weight. The video is saying there seems to be a hard limit on how much you can burn over what you eat as long as you’re eating the minimum requirements for your body. Before burning fat your brain will make subconscious changes to your behaviour (and even automatic systems like your immune system) to use less energy.
Yeah the video talks about that. Compare two people with the same muscle mass, one has a sedentary lifestyle while the other has an active lifestyle. They both burn about the same calories in a day. Many people are only doing cardio training when they train to lose weight. Because they don’t want bigger muscles. Thus they don’t lose any fat anymore after the first few months since their muscles hardly get any bigger.
A really fat person who wants to lose fat in a reasonable amount of time needs to gain serious muscle mass to lose weight without reducing their caloric intake. While if they just adjust their diet they will lose fat much fast.
Cardio alone will allow you to lose weight for sure. If you have a net higher energy expenditure through a day, you will burn more calories and if the diet stays the same you will lose weight.
The argument is just about how you increase that expenditure. Having more muscle mass and just existing will burn more calories and regularly doing cardio will burn more calories.
Will you be more lazy and thus expend less ‘base’ energy on days that you do cardio? Probably. That just means that you have to do enough cardio to offset that difference.
You know what’s even easier than both cardio and gaining muscle though? Not drinking calories, using lean ground beef instead of full fat, replacing some of the carbs in your meals by more veggies, eating fruits instead of sugary snacks, getting more protein in your diet, … If you’re consuming a fuckton of calories a day, there’s no amount of muscle that’ll allow you to lose weight.
I would posit if you are lazy, you aren’t doing the kind of work that would be required to out eat a bad diet. There are plenty of skinny people who have organs that look more like force fed geese than human, and there are fat people than finish the Ironman.
The people who can “out eat” a bad diet probably don’t eat like you think they do, or even they say they do. Even when Michael Phelps said he ate 10,000 calories of junk food, he was getting likev maybe 2,000 of the 10,000 calories he ate a day from pizza at night.
Most people won’t out work out a bad diet cause they don’t actually know how many calories they are taking in and they aren’t training 8-12 hours a day 50-52 weeks of the year.
I thought the same thing, but turns out the body is really damn complicated. Worth skimming the papers they link in the video - basically your body adapts over the course of ~6 months or less if you become more active by saving energy elsewhere. Things like inflation and basic metabolic functions can burn way more energy than they need to.
Core issue is that physical exercise might move the needle 5 or so percent in terms of your total energy consumption in short term, a tad more longer term if the exercise builds some nice energy hungry muscle mass.
Though exercise helps on a lot of other fronts (insulin resistance, cardio vascular health, joint health, its not enough change in activity to counteract much extra food intake.
So I have not watched the video, but I have read the book Burn by herman pontzer. And it seems that the body makes up for it in other ways as described in other comments. But your body can and will burn more calories than your normal amount if you do lots of exercise.
The example used in the book is a study the author did where he tracked the calorie usage of people running across the US. They were burning a ton of calories every day (and eating a bunch too). And somehow over the course of this ultra marathon thing, people actually started burn less calories as their body adjusted to the load.
But yeah, do lots of exercise and you’ll feel tired and conserve energy. Do a ton of exercise and your body will burn lots of fat.
it likely doesnt violate thermodynamics since caloric intake isn’t likely to be super representative of actual converted energy. Likewise, an individuals energy consumption is also likely to vary as well, even in the case of certain consumed foods. Wouldn’t suprise me if there was data suggesting asian people consumed food in a marginally different manner to american people, for example. There are just certain things the body adapts to, and over time engages with biased selection for.
Ah, good. Yes. I haven’t been completely ignoring my weight loss goals and just managing to not get any fatter over the last several months… I’ve been using SCIENCE. BITCHES. 😤🧪✨
Well actually Dr Mike from RP does talk about that, sometimes you need time to reset and not to think about your diet to help to clear your mind and then you get back to weight loss when you can, when you are feeling like, you know what, I am feeling good, I want to eat healthier and lose weight.
It is an interesting video. My main takeaway was that we burn the same amount of calories regardless of activity, but when we are sedentary our body uses the calories for evil (inflammatory) purposes.
Well inflammation is a bit overblown as to how bad it is, it is literally required for muscle gain, so those people doing cold plunges are literally killing their gains as they say.
But yeah interesting video, I do wonder if the prevalence of anxiety and depression is more due us having access to way more calories than needed and doing way less exercise than needed rather than due to mental health awereness
I’m part of a whole-foods plant-based potluck group. A number of people are eating that way to lose weight and maintain a healthy weight. Most people in the group are maintaining a healthy weight without any major exercise plan.
This is the way.
Damn I wish I had this group in my area
They are all over. Search for the closest one here: https://plantpurecommunities.org/find-a-pod/
Thanks! Sadly my closest pod(?) is the next town over. I joined in case I ever get the time to join in person.
Cool!
I ran into the guy from the group this morning. He is in 60s and had just finished in the top 3 in his age group at a local 5k race.
I came in maybe 4th in my age group but I ran an extra 5 miles to get to the race.
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