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    She was a proud Indian until it became popular to be black.

    As usual the party of dishonesty is gaslighting the world and the drones lap it up.

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      Because she’s both. Her mom is Indian, and her dad is Afro-Jamaican. That makes her ethnicity both Indian and Afro-Jamacian. There are people out there with mixed ethnicities.

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      Was she a proud Indian when she chose to go to Howard University, a historically black college? When she joined Alpha Kappa Alpha, a historically black sorority, that must have been odd if she considered herself Indian instead of black.

      She has considered herself both black and Indian for a very long time.

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    “Many fine people have told me that I was the blackest president in American history. It’s true, folks. And that’s why coloreds should vote for me instead of Laffin’ Kamindian. Did you know she’s half-Indian? What’s up with that? She’s also a FEMALE, in case you haven’t noticed. It’s a disgrace.”

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    well i mean. Mixed people are a weird group.

    They can often “toe the line” in a social sense, being able to fit in with a white group, or a black group more easily. Whether or not this is what’s happening here is a different story. But socially, i think there’s something to be said about it.

    Fundamentally, you fit in less with any given group, so you’re more likely to be around more broader influence and likewise have less specific influence from any one group. Social cliques are likely to form around you, not with you for a similar reason. In a way, you’re sort of alienated from the group, though arguably not in a bad way, since you can sort of fit into any group available. Which makes you more flexible socially, which is obviously advantageous for something like, politics for example.

    The tricky part here, is whether or not this is actually happening, and if it is happening, subconscious racism, or just broader social theory (which argues that similar people coalesce into a group, and by virute of being a different ethnicity, you also have a different culture (thats partially how ethnicity works) so it would be expected that some form of social clique would form.

    alright, i’m too fucking tired to keep posting this kind of shit on the internet, don’t kill me in my sleep, please.

    oh and for the people who struggle with reading comprehension sometimes, like myself, this isn’t racism, obviously. This is just some sociological pondering.

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      Mixed people are a weird group.

      They can often “toe the line” in a social sense, being able to fit in with a white group, or a black group more easily

      Yes, historically it is well known that racist are more tolerant of mixed race people /s

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        Yes, historically it is well known that racist are more tolerant of mixed race people /s

        well i mean yeah, historically, but i dont recall about speaking historically.

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          So despite all evidence to the contrary, surely this is the exact moment in time when it has become easier for mixed race people?

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            are you arguing that racism hasn’t changed at all since historical accounts of racism?

            I mean, i don’t think i fundamentally disagree, but considering i was never talking about racism in the first place, im not sure how much this matters.

            Speaking of ethnically relevant group social behaviors, china is a prime example of this. They have a certain type of behavior around foreigners, since they aren’t very common and chinese society is largely homogeneous, even including the existing minority racism that’s going on in china, those are more closely related to the broader populous than an american, for example.

            you see similar things around other societies as well, this is extremely prominent among remote tribes and groups of people living in places the general populous doesn’t live. Interaction between the two is often, very weird.

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              considering i was never talking about racism in the first place

              I guess that’s hard to respond to considering your post was removed by moderators. I’m sure that has nothing to do with racist speech in the post and was completely unrelated and unjustified.

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      i’m too fucking tired to keep posting this kind of shit on the internet

      At least you recognize that what you’re saying is shit. You can always stop.

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        You can always stop.

        stop what? Thinking about inter ethnic dynamics? Europeans aren’t exactly known for always liking other europeans. There’s also the whole “eastern europe” problem, which is argubaly a hold over of soviet era discrimination of the block countries.

        I’m sure the irish like the british, surely they would never have anything bad to say about them.

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          You can always stop … posting this shit. You know, the rest of your comment I quoted.

          You’re going off about unrelated things, and maybe you don’t need to actually post that. Sometimes it can just stay a thought.

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            yeah, but that’s boring though, isn’t the whole point of the internet posting stupid shit for shitposting reasons or just incoherent train of thought rambling?

            Seems more productive than spreading misinformation and ideological biases that are actually negatively influential on society.

            Sometimes it’s important to sit down and think about shit, even if it’s stupid.

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                no, but that’s also because i don’t tell anybody to believe anything i say.

                I’m literally here to kill time, why would you put any conviction behind half the shit i say without being a little bit independent and capable of figuring things out on your own.

                Part of the reason i do this is to make an example of the fact that people can just post shit on the internet, i could literally just make some shit up, and you would believe me.

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                  I don’t think people believe you, based on the down votes you’ve received.

                  I also don’t think people need examples of “shit”. It makes the comment section worse, which seems weird to do to a place you want to participate in. You have a choice to be better.

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    It’s because Biden left the race, so now there’s no black candidates left.

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    He’s just a confused old man.

    You’re thinking about Mr Biden again, sir. Don’t you worry about it. Let’s check your diaper and get you back to the TV Room, OK? Don’t forget your special red hat.

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      He’s just a confused old man.

      He’s a racist old man who only half-remembers the dog whistles that Reagan used to play. The physical embodiment of First as Tragedy, Then as Farce.

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      Biden later said his comments were a “mistake.”

      So everyone agrees that statement from Biden was bad. Including Biden. Can we now do the same for Trump’s statement? Including Trump?

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    So he said that she used to identify as Indian, but now she identifies as black.

    Also, why is the media prodominantly calling her Black, and not acknowledging her Indian heritage?

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      Because black is a buzzword for the oppression Olympics to the left, they blindly praise and cheer that term.

      Her being Indian and only talking about her Indian side for most of her life is now irrelevant as it’s not as popular.

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          Typically the white liberal, they are obsessed which is why this is a talking point to begin with.

          No, ignore her (lack of) merit, focus on the fact she is (half) black! Applause

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      Also, why is the media prodominantly calling her Black, and not acknowledging her Indian heritage?

      Because Trump did not deny her Indian heritage at this event. This is not a mystery, you shouldn’t need the concept of “context” to be explained to you.

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        They call her Black on every media channel. Very rarely do they mention anything about her Indian heritage. Why? Cause being a black woman is more popular. It’s all about image to them.

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          Because she is black and Indian. Living in America, most people are going to identify her as a black person, so she gets all the great shit that comes along with that. Since when has being a black women been popular? They’re one of the most mistreated people and being a black woman is hard as fuck.

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            You nailed it! “Being a black woman is hard as fuck” That is the liberal strategy

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                … so they could finally consider one for president but only after the corpse of a white dude finally gave in… real devilish plan, that is!

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      Your account history is exactly what I expected it to be. Nothing but ableist slurs, racism, and weird nonsense. Now run along back to Reddit and r/conservative. Shoo.

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        Google it. Hindu/Jamaican of Irish background. Formerly first Indian this, that and the other thing. Definitely not black or of that community.

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          Hold on folks, I’m getting a message from my editor…

          This just in: Jamaicans aren’t black! Usain Bolt is white as the driven snow! Thank you, @John_McMurray, for providing such essential services!

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              91% of Jamaicans are of black African heritage. Of those 15% are lighter skin black. Harris’s grandmother on that side was dark skin black and her grandfather on that side was lighter skinned black. The reason he is lighter skinned is because someone in his lineage in the late 1700’s was likely raped by an Irish slave owner, they have genealogical research on her ancestors. Years ago colonial jamaica separated light skin a dark skin black people under slavery and ultimately it resulted in 2 different black racial groups in Jamaica. All this information is readily available with a Google search. Race is just a social construct. But within that construct she is, black, brown, white. Ethnically Jamaican, Indian, Irish. Hope this helps…

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          Let’s see, she went to Howard University, a HBU, and while there was a member of a black sorority, but you know what? Let’s let you (presumably white male) decide who is black enough to be black

          STFU and GTFO of here

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      Jamaicans are mostly descendants of West African slaves. I guess they were not black either?

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    Why does everyone think Republicans are racist?? Just because they say racist shit, act racist and are racist, doesn’t mean that they are racist!! Do better guys!!

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    If the Republicans were at all competent, they could actually have made this attack work.

    Just look at Kedrick Lamar’s roasting of Drake in “Not Like Us”. Drake is clearly black, but he was mostly raised by a non-black mother in Canada. A lot of the emphasis in Not Like Us is how Drake has to do things like travel to Atlanta or wear clothes from Compton to pretend to fit in with black culture. So Lamar says:

    “No, you not a colleague, you a fuckin’ colonizer”

    A very clever Republican strategist use that Harris was mostly raised by her Indian mother, how she spent her teens in Montreal, Canada, how she married a white man, how she prosecuted people for marijuana possession, and so-on to try to sow doubts about whether she really fit in.

    But, they’d have to have done that using black surrogates who were seemingly not tied to the Trump campaign. Instead, they’re so incompetent that they have Trump just blurt out to a Black audience that she’s not really black… which instead puts everyone on her side.

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      It’s crazy that people keep saying she prosecuted thousands upon thousands of black individuals with Marijuana charges. I swear people don’t know how to Google and find out that she oversaw 1900 cases, (which was a total for her AND those under her) but only 45 went to prison for it… and those were extreme cases. I’ve used the LetMeGoogleThatForYou site more than I’d like to admit.

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        Facts are cool for sure but if you’re ever at the point where you realize you’re speaking to someone who doesn’t acknowledge facts I suggest making things up, then when they try and dismiss those claims just copy and paste the parts of their comments that dismissed your facts.

        This way you force them to be the ones who have to Google things, and when they run to Google they run the risk of actually learning something, and as we all know learning is conservatism’s mortal enemy.

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        The fact that you’re having to fight that fight shows that it could effectively be used by competent spin-doctors to sow doubt. The GOP in the George W. Bush era could have done it, they were ruthless and competent. They even got veterans to go against an actual veteran like John Kerry over a draft-dodger like Bush. The McCain camp could have done it – but even then they were starting to go nuts, picking Palin as his running mate.

        But, luckily, the modern GOP is increasingly incompetent. The only thing they have going for them is that Trump has a cult of personality that has somehow taken in nearly half the US electorate.

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            Depends how you define “draft dodger”.

            From what I remember, he avoided the draft by registering for the Air National Guard, then didn’t bother fulfilling the duties required for that position.

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          Republicans: “vote for us or Harris will take away all the weed”

          Also Republicans: currently doing everything in their power to fight marijuana reform

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      Which Republican black person, who is well known, respected, and is not affiliated with Trump or MAGA, is going to do this attack on Kamala Harris, for Trump and Republicans?

      They had their chance, and bungled it on a spectacular scale. Trump is taking hit after hit. Strategists know Trump’s small bags of tricks. They are blame others for what you do, lie, gaslight and steal. They are ready before Trump even thinks of it.

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        Which Republican black person, who is well known, respected, and is not affiliated with Trump or MAGA, is going to do this attack on Kamala Harris, for Trump and Republicans?

        Yeah, that’s the thing, they’re so toxic that such a person probably doesn’t exist. But, they could probably have used some grifters who are not well known, not respected, but do have a few social media followers. They could probably have even used some of those famous Republicans who have “I’m a black woman” social media accounts that they occasionally forget to switch to before ranting. They just needed to do what the Russians do so well, and start whispers and get the lies / questions to spread.

        Luckily, Trump flopped so hard that even if they started that kind of a whisper campaign now, people would know what they’re seeing and probably not fall for it.

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    He just can’t wrap his head around the idea of someone being biracial, or chooses not to, whatever.

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      Nah, he’s a fucking moron, but I don’t think that’s it. He’s trying to use a standard pratice of his of identifying something that others may like about an opponent and attack it as not being true. When that thing is race, it becomes extra fucking ridiculous.

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        I think theyre angry because many of the Weird Cheeto’s bigoted voters will want clarity on what kind of racial slur they’ll use as they are a discriminating bunch.

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          No, they really aren’t as far as slurs go. If a person of mixed ethnicity kinda looks black, they get the same ones as people whose parents are both black.

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            I was trying to make a joke but didn’t succeed.😞

            I’ve heard them call people of Indian descent the same slurs that they use for Blacks and Arabs. These are not people who get ambiguity or experience empathy.

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      I don’t think that he can’t wrap his head around being biracial, I think he’s trying to play on the community’s own racism.

      Let’s not kid ourselves here, all racial community’s have their members who shun and reject biracial kids as being part of their community with some cultures having a larger segment of that type of thinking than others.

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      I think he would be confused regardless. The fact that she’s biracial compounds it. People love to categorize others into boxes they understand. It often results in racism, but it usually results in a kind of obstinate ignorance. There are many people who fundamentally cannot seem to understand that Indians are Asian, even if they’re pretty brown. They also don’t understand that a Jamaican who’s a descendant of slaves is African-American. That someone can be both of these impossible (in their mind) things is just outlandish.

      I know a guy who’s black and British, and I have heard him explain how he isn’t African-American so many times. Whatever white person receives the explanation never really believes it and always treats it like it’s a trick. I know someone else who has a seeing eye dog that’s a mutt, and not some movie-groomed golden retriever. Confusion abounds.

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      Its the exact same shit they did to Obama. The trick is that McCain and Romney never went on record saying this bullshit. They had a gaggle of C-List news celebrities say it over and over again, while they would play the “I can’t believe someone would say OBAMA ISN’T BLACK that’s crazy who would think that?” game.

      But Trump isn’t a politician in the traditional sense. He is the C-List news celebrity who talks shit all day. The GOP doesn’t want the one-eyed Navy Seal who makes serious sounding noises all day running for President. Or the elite business genius who doesn’t care about all our beautiful aborted white babies because he’s too busy counting his (((money))). They literally want to put William F. Buckley in office. But he’s dead, so they’ll settle for the Cheeto Mussolini.

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        (((money)))

        Man it’s been a long time since I saw this in the wild. Isn’t the “(((___)))” supposed to signify “Jew” in a bad way?

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          I looked at the echo symbol “(((___)))” in the Anti Defamation League hate symbol website. Whatever is inside the triple parenthesis has Jewish added. In this case, the echo means Jewish money.

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          Conservative bloggers thought they’d come up with a super clever code to do antisemitism without getting flagged for it, but it just turned into a big joke.

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        I’m glad someone else remembers this bs. The right wingers attacked Obama in the same way because he was raised by a white single mother in Hawaii and later by an Indonesian step father overseas. Because these idiots don’t have a word for that, they attacked him as a pretender. But let’s be clear, they don’t do ambiguity because complexity loses them voters.

        Strangely the right wingers got something almost correct for a change. It’s true that the concept of “race” is both racist and artificial. It’s how you were raised that largely determines your culture. Obama wouldn’t fit in in Africa. True. But he was raised as an American. THAT MEANS HE’S AMERICAN.

        The same is true for Harris. Its sad that she’s going to get attacked for being raised by an Indian-American-Jamacian mother in oaktown (which was predominantly black back then) because of stupidity and the great orange puff’s lack of self control

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          Strangely the right wingers got something almost correct for a change. It’s true that the concept of “race” is both racist and artificial. It’s how you were raised that largely determines your culture. Obama wouldn’t fit in in Africa. True. But he was raised as an American. THAT MEANS HE’S AMERICAN.

          This is my handy guide to determine if someone is American (can be applied to any country):

          1. Born in America = American
          2. Born in a different country and moved to America at young age and spent a considerable amount of time growing up in America = American
          3. Immigrated at an older age to America and have their citizenship = American
          4. Immigrated at an older age to America and do not have their citizenship = Trying to become American
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            4a. Immigrated at an older age and don’t want to get their citizenship, and are planning to eventually move home = Not American