I believe in Night-watchman state and I think that any country currently would benefit massively from supporting liberal values.
But I also wonder, what did liberals do to deserve all the hate they get online?
Liberal Americans are central right conservatives in most of the rest of the workd.
It can lead to confusion in discussions with international audiences. I don’t support most of what the Democrats stand for or do, the GOP is just batshit crazy of course.
As an aethiest anarchistic, I’m used to wathing with bemusement from the outside anyway.
I believe the problem with liberals it’s their protagonist syndrome, complaining about everything and victimizing themselves.
They are usually people who blame everyone and everything for their disgraceful life instead of looking at their own mistakes.
Can you give me a real life examples of this?
I never seen something like this and I would like to read more about it.
Just look around, look at people and you will notice a lot of that kind of people, people who complains about everything, they have a freaking big ego like if they were the main character of a movie, they like to victimize themselves for everything(usually they identify themselves as being mentally ill) and they procrastinate all the time. Look at the social environment and you will identify a lot of people of that kind.
Edit: Elon Musk?
Hmm, yeah, can’t say that I have ever noticed this happening in reality.
It does happen in reality, but not with liberals. I can think of a LOT of non-liberals who do exactly what they say. Sadly, they don’t LIVE in reality, so they can claim whatever they want.
The problem it’s when people selectively ignore parts of the reality, sometimes it’s better to believe in a made up reality than selectively avoid parts of it.
Doesn’t this contradict the premise of the question?
Disgraceful life? What on earth are you referring to?
Most of the hate against liberals has been seeded by Russian troll farms.
Most of the hate against conservatives has also been seeded by the same farms.
When the hate is picked up on by the locals, then that farm’s work is considered effective.
An actual civil war is the big prize.
It’s always interesting how right-wing trolls and supporters are most common during Moscow working hours.
Not that you’re going to get any kind of constructive discussion here regardless, but it’s worth noting that “liberal” in the US means something very different in the rest of the world (what we’d call “neoliberal” or globalist) and I don’t really know which one you mean
The confusing thing for those of us not from the US is that Americans use “liberal” when they’re often referring to people who are socialist.
It doesn’t really make any sense.
We are binary. We are a coin with liberal on one side and conservative on the other. Which is handy because the more people define all the specifics of liberal, neoliberal, socialist, communist, progressive, and whatnot, the less I’m able to identify with any of them.
I am part of the union of disparate philosophies that does not want Trump. That’s a bit of a mouthful, though.
I identify as both
Lots of people online are either on the far right or the far left
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Trust me. They hate any other type of pov
I don’t care if you don’t think it’s right for gay people to get married, but the moment you try to take my friends’ or family’s rights away, then we’re going to have conflict. Do you see the difference?
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This fuckin’ comments thread is a trip
Thats mostly a lemmy thing tbh. Lemmy is weird, and needs a fresh dose of normality.
People on the US don’t know what the word “liberal” means. And lots of people here are from the US.
I’m from the US. Enlighten me!
In a ELI5 level, do you know about that political alignment quadrant, where the horizontal is a bullshit dimension and up is “authoritarian”?
“Liberal” is the label of the bottom part.
In many ways, I think that accurately reflects US politics.
Depends where you go.
Yes, OP, please cite examples. The claim could nearly be inverted, depending on the online space in question.
They don’t, but since liberalism is the default supporters of liberalism don’t feel the need to be vocal about it; whereas those bucking the status quo, both progressives and regressives, feel the need to make their perspectives heard.
How are we defining liberal here? I wouldn’t consider ‘centrists’ to be liberal, personally, but here in America most people think of them that way.
I think, to further emphasize your point, whoever asks must also define what constitutes center.
In my own country I’d be a moderate centrist with anarchist leanings. In the US I’d be extreme left, liberal, and on NSAs watch list.
If you post anything vaguely political online you’ll get lots of people showing up and telling you that your views are wrong. I’d be careful of confirmation bias if you think it’s only one side getting all the hate.
Because most liberals don’t consistently apply their own principles. A principle that liberals are inconsistent with is the juridical principle of imputation, the norm of legal and de facto responsibility matching. They ignore this norm’s routine violation in the capitalist firm. Here, despite the workers joint de facto responsibility for production, the employer is solely legally responsible for 100% of the positive and negative results of production while workers as employees get 0%
Love “I’m a liberal” by Phill Ochs does a great job expressing the critics by the left.
Then you have neoliberal ideas which is basically capitalism with regulations, subsidies, and safety nets. Which fiscal conservatives hate because they cost money and hurt their investments.
Online people hate on them because its the status quo and things suck so they get the blame. Nvm the mountain of obstacles opents of the philosophy put up against it as well.
