I prefer Debian, my favourite distro by far
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I actually got NixOS after the latest time I tried it. But I also got that I don’t want it, Arch is much simpler in all the good ways.
And perhaps something like https://github.com/kiviktnm/decman can some day give us part of Nix’s power without going all-in with the functional declarative thingamadoodle.
Wow thanks I was wondering for a while if something like this existed! I’m very happy with regular Arch, but I am very curious to try both an immutable/atomic and a declarative distro. At least the second I guess I can kina replicate now with this. Another rabbit hole to go down I think. :D
I’d recommend trying out a Fedora Atomic distro. Similar idea but without the extremely niche DSL.
Which one specifically? Pure Fedora or something like universal blue?
I want to but COSMIC DE.
You can absolutely install Cosmic with Nix
How do you do that?
You can use this flake to add cosmic to your configuration
So, I’m an arch-btwistan, what does nixos do for a gamer/youtuber/low-tier-wannabe-musician? Legit asking, because I really don’t know what makes nixos tick, and the (very little) I’ve read doesn’t really explain the benefits of it
Everything about your OS is defined in a config files and can be rebuilt. You break something you don’t need to do a complete reinstall if you can’t figure it out. Just rebuild the last working configuration. Sharing builds with your friends is easier.
For gaming getting your graphics card going is much simpler. I never had steam and proton games run as well as they do with they nixos defaults
It sounds like a Dockerfile for your system OS?
Docker, ansible, salt, yeah
Basically but it’s better, nix has a unique way of doing the underlying the logic which as is own benefits. Also since nix is not a container it doesn’t have any of the speed penalties that come along with that. Since nix is functional as well, it means all operations can be undone. So where you might te build a docker image from scratch or by using a A/B system like other immutable distros it allows nix to just modify the system while it’s running with minimal side effects.
nix has a unique way of doing the underlying the logic which as is own benefits.
Honestly, this is what I like least about it. I do not like unique, single-purpose Domain Specific Languages. To me, requiring use of a DSL that is not like common languages used for similar purposes is a major detractor.
Guix!!!
For gaming getting your graphics card going is much simpler. I never had steam and proton games run as well as they do with they nixos defaults
you clearly haven’t used EndeavorOS then, since there everything just works.
nothing imo, it’s main benefit is making reproducible environments, imagine you need 10 machines to have the exact same things running on it, setting up each one would be a PITA and keeping them the same is near impossible, nixos solves that problem.
it’s not gonna do anything for you, most people just want a working OS system on your PC so that you can do the things you need to do, if you have that, there is no reason to be fucking around with nixos.
Very well built patches and ways to share them. This is a good thing for gaming as we can try bleeding edge like Arch. But without having to rely on AUR or scripts to copy locally. Thanks to Nix Flakes you simply reference the flake someone shared (after double checking what is in it) and rebuild a NixOS derivation and voila, patch installed. I installed a complete SteamOS in 1 minute with this, reboot and everything works. Even with your locally signed in Steam account 👌
Imo the worst part of nix is how it turns into this chicken or the egg scenario. Let me explain, nix is very good at reproducing things. It ensures that all things are the same when installing a piece of software. Once someone writes a nix module, generally speaking, it “just works”. You can always take that nix file and get it to run the same way on another machine. But since most gamers/musicians don’t give two shits about reproducible software, it doesn’t get packaged. And with no packages they will never be interested to get into nix.
As I write this though I realize, many open source projects have struggled with getting contributions from the community. Personally, I just think nix solves the issue of “idk, it works on my machine” better than anything I’ve seen. Being able to reproduce software and stop dependency issues is a very valuble thing, just not for everyone.
I’d been hearing a lot about NixOS so I did a VM install. It wanted me to setup my own partitions manually without even giving preset sane defaults like I was back in 1994 installing Slackware.
Nope. My OS is a tool, not a lifestyle.
Slackware still does that in 2024.
How long ago did you try? You should try again, I did not have this experience setting up with the graphical installer a few weeks ago.
My OS is also a tool!
Those jerk OSs and their bullying!
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I mean, if we’re talking sane you shouldn’t need more than one partition.
Encryption? Also you’re assuming there’s only one block device…
assuming the person before did not just mean partitioning, but also all other storage-related tasks
I need to compile my kernel… by hand with tools from beige-age computing.
This is the opposite of me. I always get nervous when I don’t have precise control over how the disk layout looks. I explicitly decided for the non-graphical installer when I first downloaded NixOS
Sounds like you haven’t done it in a while. It has calamares installer now.
it wanted me to setup my own partitions manually
You’ve obviously never used nix, it’s GUI installer can auto configure just fine.
When your OS AND apps are declared and stateful a lot of risk and complexity is removed. Configuring is just a bad experience with poor usability and worse documentation.
There is a Gnome/KDE installer too now ;)
Too gimmicky
Tis fairly good, don’t like how badly it works with grub tho (which I refuse to change)
This makes arch/nixos a difficult combo to set up
No arch, only NixOS! RAAHHH!!!
Heck yeah brother, AROOO
Does it? I have two VMs on remote VPS servers that use GRUB because of no UEFI and I had no issues
Might be cause the PC in question I’m testing on does have uefi,(which nixos recommends system senior loader for)
My argument for using it is: it works very well for every other Linux distro, so it should work well with nixos too, uefi or not
One thing that no-one tested is the overhead of all the sandbox, like, each module, lybrary of program run in a sandbox(some times they tweak the source code not need the sandbox) so I wanted to see the overhead of all of that
It build in a sandbox, but it’s not run in a sandbox.
I don’t understand, if you run a program inside the sandbox and the program ask for a library, the kernel need to map the library from inside the sandbox to the program, that overhead that I’m talking about
This is not how NixOS works. Programs directly link against libraries in the store. There is no sandbox by default when running the binaries.
But it’s not run in a sandbox. I’m not sure where you get this from.
I tried it once and gave up after realizing the necessary mental gymnastics to do simple things like installing something.
I use the Nix packmani in debian like yay on arch.
I’m more interested in Mint 22
LMNE: Linux Mint Nix Edition
…hmm
Fuck yes, I would follow that fox wherever needed!
as a fox myself, i would not recommend it.
Hmmm, how can you type then?
Suspicious!
i am sneaky fox, i break into your house, i steal your keyboard, and then i shitpost on lemmy, steal your pasta, and then leave unbeknownst to you.
they using the tongue
👁️🫦👁️
Good idea, bad DSL and toxic community.
Am currently on NixOS
Looking to move to RedoxOS as soon as viable
I’ve looked into the same, sad it’s not viable yet…
Well it’d need declarative configuration IMO, so maybe something like tvix would need to be integrated first. That could also get us to being DSL agnostic.
Bur damn, RedoxOS (impl) is sexy.
Is this a greek culinary specialty? “You have to try the Nixos, it melts in the mouth!”
