• ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Because “show me your papers” is making a full-throated racist comeback.

    Morons don’t understand that going to school is the #1 way we indoctrinate children as Americans first, and I mean indoctrinate in the sense of civics and governance. There is some fundamental propaganda you kind of need to know. If you stop that then you deny them the ability to integrate with other kids, sometimes stunt their language learning, and you truly do create an underclass that is less educated, but above all else: has no formal schooling in the civics and laws of the country they live in.

    I mean this sincerely: this means they will be less likely to internalize themselves as Americans first, and thus more likely to do the exact thing conservatives don’t want, and simply adhere to their existing culture and import it wholesale, no blending or “melting pot” effect (forgive the analogy but it’s the one they know).

    It is a complete own goal that will harm conservatives short and long term and hurt millions of innocent children.

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      You’re almost correct, except that conservative legislature has a weird tendency to make things worse on purpose so they can blame the other side for making things worse so they can campaign on “fixing” things by making them worse again.

      This will help conservatives win elections. This will not help achieve the goals that conservative voters think they’re voting for

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    Honestly, I’m not even sure how I feel about this, or why it’s a devisive issue. I think all social services should be reserved for people who are citizens, but children born here are this, so…

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      Yeah these children should totally suffer and be forced to grow up without an education because they were brought here as an infant.

      Illegal immigrants pay $12+ billion in taxes every year while receiving essentially no benefit from it (no, they aren’t collecting Social Security and Unemployment).

      I’m ok with not dooming these blameless children to a life of ignorance and poverty as maybe the one fucking thing these people receive from the government.

      You’d think we’d want more educated people in our country… Citizen or not. Only one reason I can think of that a person would be against this.

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      The article does a good job of giving the reasons for this, but I’ll try to explain the justification. Quite simply, kids end up here because of their parents decisions. Since they are here, the decision was made that more harm would be caused (and more money spent) depriving these people an education instead of just letting them be kids.

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    4 months ago

    After 50 years, many of the “freedoms” we have enjoyed for a generation or more will find themselves in the cross hairs. Don’t think this ends anywhere viable for a modern American.

    They’ll be after your porn, your OF, your tiktoks and your WhatsApp before you know it.

    Vote like your lifestyle depends on it, because it does. Bring two friends.

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      Don’t think this ends anywhere viable for a modern American.

      America didn’t start anywhere in the neighbourhood of viable, this is just the inevitable conclusion.

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      4 months ago

      Porn is already blocked in some places due to the age/identity verification crisis.

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    4 months ago

    Aren’t they already going after free education for anyone? Isn’t that the entire point of the whole push for school voucher programs?

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    4 months ago

    This title is made to stir up anger from the Left. The issue is about how much, and what limits, do states have towards educating ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The title of “Immigrant” students makes it sound like these kids are natural born citizens who are in jeopardy of not getting educated. If you read the article, it talks about all the different issues with continuing to educate illegals…But that’s the Left for you, twisting “immigrants” and “illegal immigrants” together to make it sound like it’s the same thing.

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      But that’s the Left for you, twisting “immigrants” and “illegal immigrants” together to make it sound like it’s the same thing.

      But that’s also the right, just in the opposite direction. When the right says illegals they mean any immigrants, including those here legally. When the left says immigrants you have to read into it to see if they are talking about legal, illegal, or both.

      It’s all a game to stir people up for clicks and outrage.

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        That’s not true at all… from Day 1, the Left has morphed “immigrants” and “illegal immigrants” into one, to make it sound like Republicans hate immigrants, which is far from the truth… when WE say illegals, we mean ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS… when the Left (democrats) talk about immigration, they want to treat illegals the same as legals… which is fucking stupid.

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      Fear not, we won’t need to debate this once free education is robbed from natural born citizens through the dissolution of public schools like the right truly desires. Before too long the functional lower class will be resigned to the same loathsome state that you and people like you ascribe to these so called “illegals”

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      Illegal immigrant children deserve an education.

      Period.

      Having an uneducated illegal immigrant child presence in the country who are not in school during school hours will harm the children, harm the parents, harm the community, and harm their future if and when they do naturalize legally, setting them back literal decades and completely ruining their future chances.

      I stress again, these are literal children, who are innocent in all this. They don’t choose where they get to live. They don’t get a material say in this, and blaming and harming them for their parents choices is cruel and hateful.

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      But that’s the Left for you, twisting “immigrants” and “illegal immigrants” together to make it sound like it’s the same thing.

      It should be trivial to immigrate (legally)

      Going on about how they’re illegal while also making it really hard to immigrate legally is bullshit.