Meanwhile, 44 percent backed the American tradition of competing branches of government as a model, if sometimes “frustrating,” system.

Why would people want to live under an authoritarian’s thumb? It’s rooted, experts say, in a psychological need for security—real or perceived—and a desire for conformity, a goal that becomes even more acute as the country undergoes dramatic demographic and social changes. People also like to obey a strong leader who will protect the group—especially if it is the “right” group whose interests will be protected. Recall the Trump supporter who, during the 2019 government shutdown, complained, “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

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    The people who think this have never had to truly struggle in their entire fucking lives. Fat little American piggies who think that everything will stay the same in every facet of life under their military dictatorship, as if nothing bad could ever happen to them and bad things will only happen to the people they hate. They take for granted all of the freedoms and luxuries they enjoy daily and never once consider how quickly those would vanish for them too.

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    32% of americans are retarded and have no idea how much damage one authoritarian dictator can do

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        Oh yeah, everyone wants their own benevolent dictator that fixes the wrongs of this world with necessary force.

        And then Hitler gets into power…

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          I wouldn’t say that everyone wants their own benevolent dictator, but the ones who have that view can only picture theirs in power. I’m sure Hitler had a bunch of people who liked what he was doing.

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      Regardless of if it’s true, you shouldn’t use that word.

      However its all perspective, an intellectual disability is described as 30 points below average, because a 30 point difference is noticable.

      So even just two people at the end of the first standard deviation would experience that.

      Being three standard deviations above average isn’t that rare, about 1 in 1200, about the same rate as people who transition oddly enough, so it’s a good comparison.

      If you’re “lucky” enough to be over 145, about 84% of everyone else is at least 30 points below you.

      It’s like real life Idiocracy or old school Cassandra. Shit seems so simple but no one listens.

      Even then bro, dont resort to that word.

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            Yeah, I had another comment where I discovered the number is much higher (1 in 208, roughly). I’m not great at ratios, so 1 in 1200 didn’t sound that rare, especially if you’re in areas with a lower LGBT+ demographic. In hindsight, it makes more sense, as I know a few trans people myself and my city isn’t even that large.

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          That says 0.51% of adults

          1/1200 is 0.83%

          0.32% is close enough for an “about” on social media

          Neither is exactly 1/1200

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            1/1200 is .000833… So .08%. That’s not how the calculations for finding X in Y people work.

            And the source I linked specifically says 1.6 million people in the US aged 13+ identify as trans, which is 0.48% of the 333.3 million people in the US.

            We were both wrong, it’s approximately 1 in 208 people. 333,300,000 / 1,600,000 = ~208.

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        Dude, context matters. Things can be insulting or not depending of where and when phrase was used. Every smart person understands the intent behind that sentence, and that it was a hyperbole.

        Don’t assume other people can’t read context and the intent, because if you do, you’re actually insulting their intelligence

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          Every smart person understands the intent behind that sentence, and that it was a hyperbole.

          You really typed that out and didn’t see the issue?

          People with intellectual disabilities can still use social media, they can still pick Lemmy, and they can still see your comment.

          And it’s not up to you or me if it’s offensive in any context.

          Do you use other slurs like this? Go to a pride parade and start dropping F bombs? BLM protests your just letting the n word fly?

          It’s not up to them if it’s offensive, its you’re call if the context makes it ok?

          Just stop man. You’re not helping yourself.

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            People with intellectual disabilities can still use social media

            Yes they can. Do you suggest they can’t read with comprehension? You’re actually insulting them by implying that they’re too dumb to understand my intent.

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        It’s amazing to me that people have issues with medical words, which are turned into epithets, which are then removed from the medical lexicon because they have become epithets, and would use that to derail a discussion on the fact that a full third of Americans don’t want to live in a democracy.

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          What derailed the conversation was use of slurs…

          But if you really want to pull out the old “what’s really a problem is people complaining about bigotry” cars from the Republican deck, go for it.

          Unfortunately it wouldn’t be surprising these days, moderates keep acting more and more like trump supporters. Someone asks for basic decency and they get accused of bad faith.

          Did you not see how that worked out for Republicans?

          Be better

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            1. I’m not a moderate.

            2. Yes, I saw perfectly how that worked out for Republicans. Corporations are massively scaling back their diversity initiatives and support for the LGBTQ community because the right are allowed to play word games. Also, they elected a fascists once and are on the verge of doing so again, partly because certain alleged Democrats would rather whinge about labels which scares the ignorant masses that make up the voting population.

            3. One-third of Americans want to be governed at the end of a gun barrel. But please, keep on being so concerned about civility while Republicans push forward their destruction of America.

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          I agree it is relatively arbitrary, I removed the comment because of the effect it has on the tone of the community- not because of the history of the word.

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          They used to be bad, now they’re not.

          Maybe it will change for this one too, but it’s not our decision currently

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    Even well-meaning authoritarians can do terrible things, to say nothing of their eventual replacement. Look what happens to otherwise great companies when the founder dies and is replaced by someone just looking to maximize next quarter profits.

    What short-sighted utter fools.

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      32 percent of Americans believe a military regime or authoritarian leader (described as a strong leader who can make decisions without interference from parliament or the courts) would be a good way of governing the country.

      They didn’t agree with a statement that explicitly endorsed authoritarianism or military dictatorship. They agreed with a statement that is being interpreted as the equivalent of supporting those things.

      And the question itself is very open to interpretation. Does “strong” mean decisive and principled or cruel and dictatorial? Does interference refer to the normal balance of power between the three branches of government, or is it referring to extreme dysfunction, or even unconstitutional actions taken by courts and/or congress that violates constitutional principles.

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      You really can’t imagine that 32% of Americans are idiots? If anything, I’m relieved the number isn’t higher.

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        32% of polled Americans who will admit it out loud, mind you. That number is absolutely higher. Pew Research found 43% of American adults trust Fox News and they trounce other cable news channels by a long shot. We ain’t never gonna make it.

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    The people who dont want to be told how they live desperately want someone to tell them how to live.

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      They want their opinion mirrored back at them by someone in power so they don’t have to take responsibility for their own opinions.

      A close friend of mine is a woman of color and her bosses want the same things from her. They wants to hear their opinion come out of someone with her skin tone so yhey feels justified and not responsible at the same time. I imagine these are similar phenomenon.

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      The people who don’t want to be told how to live want other people to be told how to live thinking they’ll be left alone.

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      They don’t want to be told how to live while simultaneously having someone force others to live like them.

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      To have others be told how to live, which is how they prefer to live already.

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        Exactly.

        They support him because they believe he is like them, so they won’t need to change anything. It’s everyone else that will be forced to be like them that they want…

        I hope I’m not spreading misinformation, but I believe one of the victims of the assassination attempt had a flag on his Facebook page that was a play off of “don’t tread on me” and in it’s place was a tank with “tread on all of them.”

        I fucking hate these people so much

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    a military regime or authoritarian leader

    Two completely different things in this climate. Anyone else remember when Gen. Miley literally went behind Trump’s back to assure China that the military would block any of his (possible) tantrums?

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    “No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero Dictator”

    Pardot Kynes

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    Reactionaries believe that all of the problems they face are due to the fact that the wrong people are ruling.

    They are 100% in favor of a neo-feudal pseudoaristocracy where billionaires are unleashed to rule the States as their fiefdoms and will impose their vision upon their subjects.

    Reactionaries do not value individual autonomy except for the privileged man who runs the factory, farm, or family; all others should do as they’re told or face his wrath.

    They do not believe in structuring society to be fair and equitable, as is evident by their crusaides against DEI, holding police accountable, women, LGBTQ people, the non-religious, the unhoused, progressive taxes, and welfare.

    All they care about is power to enact their will on others.

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      Also fun fact:

      Every tabletop scenario he ran (think like a UN version of Risk) in which the Authoritarians had control, they wiped out everyone with nuclear war including themselves.

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        I don’t think we’ll go out that way, but I do 100% believe our greed will be our “great filter” that we do not pass. :(

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          with dwindling resources on a warming planet, I think the likelyhood of a significant nuclear exchange is dramatically increased - perhaps even inevitable.

          agree with the great filter. it makes me think that humans, having acted as a great filter for our hominid family tree, are about to reap what we have been sowing for the last 200k+ years.

          or this could be a one of many catalysts for speciation. I sometimes feel that some people are already a different species. not better, not worse (not willing to engage in subjective morality) - just different, with different goals, problems and problem solving tools.

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        If I remember correctly, even after giving the authoritarians a do-over, they still fucked it up.

        Meanwhile, the people in the other group who scored low on authoritarianism like solved the climate crisis and world hunger.

        Some people are legitimately bad at politics and stuff, and it’s not the people the authoritarians are mad about.

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          Yep lol. Every chance they got they blew themselves and everyone else up. It was quite the crazy read on a flight from Boston to Chicago lol.

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    I read some research somewhere that found that about a third of the people in any given country are authoritarian shitheads (paraphrasing). The problem is that the unique structure of the US system of government gives said shitheads outsized power and representation relative to their numbers.