PS.
I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.
What about a cactus WITHOUT sunglasses?
Whoa whoa whoa, why wouldn’t he have sunglasses?
I’m sorry, but this really isn’t true. Almost everyone here, leftist or liberal, is going to vote, and the vast majority of them are going to vote for Biden. There will be some protest votes, especially in safe states, but if you care enough to post on a left-leaning political group, you care enough to try to block Trump.
The people that will cost Biden the election are the people who don’t argue online. They support the Democrats (or at least oppose the Republicans), but they don’t always vote. They probably live in a state without mail-in voting, they probably live paycheck to paycheck, and they really just don’t have a lot of spare time. They’ll go to the polls if they think it’s really important or they’re very enthusiastic about the candidate, but if not, they’d rather rest or get a load of laundry done before work tomorrow, because it’s not that important anyway. The Democrats need to find a way to get those people out if they want to win.
We all live in the same ecosystem. The people who argue online are the same people who might inspire their dipshit friends to have an opinion. Those people might convince their families to come with them to the polls. Troll farms demonstrated in 2016 and continue to demonstrate that they don’t need to convince anyone. They don’t need to tell lies or trick anyone. They just need to keep everyone at odds with each other. They do that with media loops and feeding negative discussions.
When I post in opposition, I’m not really having an effect. I get to diffuse some of the disinformation upfront which is still pretty good in my eyes. But really I’m just swinging because I have fight in me.
I mean, fair enough, and it’s not like trying to get leftists and liberals to work together will hurt. I’m just saying, don’t worry too much about those divisions, as they tend to work themselves out; worry about voter turnout. There are also things you can do to help with that, like volunteering to give rides with Souls to the Pools or Carpool Vote.
The person who wants Biden to be the nominee the most is Trump. Notice he’s gone completely quiet on him, not blasting him for his age like some democrats are, because he knows he can win against an 81yo Biden. As soon as he’s confirmed as the nominee, Team Trump will turn around and try to make him look as old as dirt
When your opponent is making a mistake, don’t stop them.
I’m hoping Biden steps down and is replaced, but if he doesn’t, as concerning as that is to our chances, I will still be voting for the Dem ticket against literal fucking fascism and encouraging everyone I know IRL to do likewise.
Man, I’d love some real ranked choice voting right about now, but in the meantime, it’s Democrat down the line.
We live in the real world, and anything other than that might as well be saying “please stomp all over my civil liberties harder daddy”
perfectly meh candidate
Supporting genocide is not “meh”. The elections that you think are in danger are not real elections, and when Trump is done with his two terms you’ll still have them because they serve their purpose of distracting Americans perfectly well for the ruling class.
I see someone has not been paying attention.
He’s suggesting we will still have “elections”.
Ever notice how the GOP has stopped pushing for voter ID laws…
The post 2016 republican is so fucking crass. They’ve abandoned civility and are going straight for the throat, everytime. Instead of signaling they want to disenfranchise voters they are full on attempting to setup fake elections. Instead of dog whistling that president should be an authoritarian dictator they are ‘writing’ it into law with their fraudulent supreme court.
If there has ever been a motivating factor for the 2A people to do something it’s right now. Except, they were never about standing up to tyranny they were only about installing it.
Trying to console my friend who lost 23 relatives in an afternoon, during a US-armed Israeli bombing run of Gaza. I keep telling her “This feels bad but Donald Trump will be worse”. But she won’t listen. She just keeps screaming “my little nephew was only three years old!” and “my family is dead! my family is dead!”
I’m hoping she’ll come around by November.
Uh huh… So what are you saying is the alternative action we should take?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/a8jzz-help-me-and-my-family-get-out-of-the-gaza-strip
A good place to start.
Might also consider protesting the conversation in Chicago if you’re in town. If you’re looking for something more local, Palestinian solidarity groups have formed in damned near every major city.
Do what you can to help people escape the holocaust. Then call/write/picket your congressman’s office to lobby for asylum for Gaza refugees.
“Ideal”
For fucks sake, spell check before you meme.
Made worse but misusing the template
There are a lot of hypothetical conversations in this thread about fascism and “November” but for me this election is about something actually happening right now. People are being exterminated by US weapons in Gaza. I will not be voring for an administration that sanctions genocide. There has to be a political price for this kind of behavior.
I can’t acknowledge voting for the Democratic party as “the lesser of two evils.” To me it looks like Americans are afraid of losing their country, while the rest of the world has been running for cover from American weapons for over a century. The era of American exceptionalism and impunity is over. It’s time to rejoin the rest of the world. “Fascism or genocide” is not going to cut it.
Why do you prefer being killed yourself and still watching genocide happen?
Because for me politics is about principles and voting for my own interests and the interests of the greater good. There are people who are running who represent those interests. The duopoly is all about scaring people into voting for one of them, and I’m not going to respond to scare tactics.
Democracy is also about accepting multiple viewpoints and arguing your own. I won’t be intimidated by this kind of thing.
Fam, Im not trying to intimidate you into shit. I’m scared shitless because you’re willing to toss entire demographics under the bus for people halfway across the world that probably don’t even like you. Im sympathetic to wanting to be principled, but enabling another genocide for the sake of that moral stance isnt worth it. The duopoly doesnt exist because people have no valuea, it exists because aby FTTP system will always produce a duipoly. Even if you want to change that, it’ll have to be done through one of the major parties
This narrative that it ends with Palestinians is insane to me. Democrats are by and large openly supportive of this genocide, and its not going to end there. They’re cowtowing to the rights hatred of Muslims now, anyone who thinks they won’t move onto trans folk next chasing Republican voters because they keep telling the left to eat shit is willfully blind.
I think that’s a naive position honestly. The major parties have in their interest the perpetuation of American imperial hegemony, at the expense of people worldwide that it considers expendable, as well as the planetary ecosystem. I have a lot more sympathy for victims of this system than people who have benefited from it (albeit indirectly or unknowingly).
While watching it get even more backing from the US
And trump will triple that backing, hell probably send our own guys to do it. Actually stopping the genocide is not on the table rn, sorry
Yeah, if anyone is going to put US boots on the ground, it is Trump
“Fascism or genocide” is not going to cut it.
That’s the choice we’ve been given though. Except it’s really more like “fascism AND genocide or just genocide”.
There are more than 2 choices.
If you consider “throwing my vote away on a third party that doesn’t stand a chance in our shitty FPTP system” a choice, then sure I guess
They may not win, but if you want to make a statement then third party is the option that is neither fascism nor genocide.
Ok, except if enough people vote third party, fascism will win. So I’m not sure that “statement” is a very strong one.
If enough votes 3rd party then maybe neither fascism nor genocide will win.
You may even influence future american policy away from fascism/genocide
That’s a naive take at best. Until we have voting reform, 3rd parties don’t actually have a chance of winning anything. The only thing voting for a 3rd party accomplishes in our shitty FPTP system is pulling votes away from the Democratic option, making the chances better for the Republican option.
A vote for dems is still a vote for fascism. They’ve got 3 bills right now in congress to stifle and delegitamize leftist organizations.
What you mean is “disrupting my day to day life fascism and genocide or status quo fascism or genocide”
They’ve got 3 bills right now in congress to stifle and delegitamize leftist organizations.
Which bills are these?
I’m blanking on the third one at the moment but one is to streamline stripping nonprofit status of organizations that “support terrorism” (Palestine) and the other makes any criticism whatsoever of Israel legally antisemitic hate speech which again is largely going to affect leftist orgs but will also allow the board of education to strip funding and accreditation from colleges that allow pro-Palestinian protests.
I would label these as pro zionist bills.
They have nothing to do with government provided public services.
and the other makes any criticism whatsoever of Israel legally antisemitic hate speech which again is largely going to affect leftist orgs but will also allow the board of education to strip funding and accreditation from colleges that allow pro-Palestinian protests.
Reading this bil…
This is the definition of antisemitism the bill adopts: https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
Since the bill applies this definition to title VI, it would apply to any organization receiving federal funds subject to title VI.
Doesn’t count all criticism of Israel, you just can’t question it’s right to self determination, the validity or potential racism of a Jewish ethnostate, or levy any criticism that wouldn’t be leveled at literally any other nation in the same scenario. You also probably couldn’t speak Ill of AIPAC since that could be deemed demonizing Jews as collective.
Can’t strip college accreditation, could strip federal funding - basically they’d be stuck operating under the same kind of restraints a college that doesn’t want to follow title IX does.
I find it deeply amusing though that most of the people upset about this one would have been strongly in support of it prior to 10/7/23 as a move to fight white supremacy and neo-Nazis. If it was passed back then and been turned on students now it would have been a real “be careful what you wish for” moment.
You can totally criticize Israel, just not for anything they do, say, or stand for.
So glad I can say the shape of their country looks silly #freedom
Really would have saved us all some time if you just said you were another right wing Zionist who wants to stamp out anything left of midright Biden.
Ok now you’re just calling anything you disagree with “fascism”.
Don’t take that the wrong way - I’m not trying to defend Democrats delegitamizing leftist organizations. But words have meaning, and when you just start throwing them around at everything that bothers you, you water down that meaning.
Thats just one example of many, regarding democrats exhibiting fascist behaviors and tendencies.
This Insistence that we not call any behavior fascist or any long standing trends problematic until they’ve reached their final form and theres nothing to be done does way more damage than calling something what it is when it checks 4 out of 5 instead of all 5 boxes
Being less overtly fascist than Project 2025 does not automatically make something not-fascist
You’re putting words in my mouth, on top of beating around the bush. Either say what you want to say directly, or don’t bother responding.
We could unite over democracy right?
We should help work towards passing electoral reform in each of our states. Then you can put all those people upset with the democrats into the game. Let them to participate in the electoral process.
More people voting means more democratic votes. Don’t you want more votes for the democratic party?
Joe biden isnt even capable of making a coherent inaugural address, much less actually being president
Greetings Comrade! The central office has directed that all attacks are to now focus on Biden’s dastardly plot to assassinate Dear Leader.
Hilarious that yall are this brainwashed. Even biden admitted that his brain is soup, but heres you just 3 days prior defending him
Except that he is president and has done the job exceedingly well.
Bro even he agrees with me that biden isnt capable of being president. Consider how fucking stupid it was to make your comment only 3 days prior to him publically admitting I was right.
Good news, turns out some of the polls, especially those coming out of Georgia are misleading as they are failing to account for the Overwhelmingly Pro-Biden black vote
I’ll rely on polling the day I have a fully stocked bunker, with all the amenities, that I can sneak away into until my inevitable death while eating cheetos on the shitter.
What really annoys me about all these political meme/card posts is the lack of spell checking.
They’re right, but dammit, at least try to make your point look good. That would be the ideal.
Ok, since you were less snarky then the last guy I’ll fix it. But know this, im not trying bro.
It’s not just having elections. It’s having enough breathing room to enact fundamental change at all. We need to unionize every workplace, and start insisting that politicians of any party work for us. The path forward will be hard enough under Biden, but basically impossible under Trump. Voting is not sufficient by itself.
Something INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT that no one talks about is how when real pressure is laid on the table, Biden almost always bends. Having him stay in office, while not the best possible scenario, is also not the worst IF we all continue to pressure him. Granted, it would have to be done in different and more nuanced ways as he is then again the sitting President. However, I feel with the right people at the forefront and the correct pressure, we can enact change through him more significant than anything he has done these last four years.
And make no mistake my dear dissidents, he HAS done a lot of good.
If biden wins you get none of those things and another „last chance” election in 4 years. Nobody wants to fix anything anymore. There are only people who want to destroy what remains for even more power.
Every election is going to be a “last chance” election until there’s another GOP win. Then either they were right, the Dems will learn and pivot to another tactic or they’ll lose several more times because losing the last chance and still having another “last chance” right on schedule makes you look especially dishonest.
I’d much rather have “another last chance election” in four years than a sham election in four years.
Lobbying is the cancer eating at the system.
Do people not know that other elections besides president are going on? Republicans barely won the house in an midterm, no way they win it this time around. Also, no way Republicans get 60 senate seats. Supreme Court is going to SCOTUS regardless of the president, we just won’t get to start fixing it for a while.
The only thing I worry about is Ukraine- but 6 more months of American help to shore up some good defensive lines and decrease Russian capacity and they could do without us for the next 2-4 years.
If you don’t like Biden, just focus on your local and state races. If we win the house and senate but loose the whitehouse, maybe DNC will learn to push for exciting POTUS candidates (or to push for the interstate compact)
If trump wins he has 2 branches. The third branch has been effectively useless for years. No, I don’t think it will protect anyone. Especially when the president has been given license to murder members if congress.
I would vote for the wrinkles on Biden’s nutsack before voting for Trump.
Believe it or not, completely smooth. Yeah I don’t know, just is.
Old man nutsack gravity
Like eggs?
I juat don’t understand why Democrats don’t nominate literally anyone else and win election, without risking Trump winning?
I don’t put this on some random people when real culprit is Democratic Party. It is almost like they want Trump to win.
BINGO, YEAH I’M VOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHO BUT FFS DEMOCRATS LOVE TO LOSE.
Why not put it on the republican party?
Why not stand up to the republican party?
I just don’t get you.
Why would they? They know their voter base is a bot that will vote blue no matter who. They don’t have the incentive.
