Your point? Would you donate half of everything you own or all of it? Probably not. At least they’re helping.
People complaining about rich people not donating more are hypocrites, cause I don’t see any of you donating too or donating the percentage of what you earn/ have in the bank that you think they should be donating.
If they donate half of what they own they would have more money than they and their family and their ancestors could ever spend. If i donate half my money, i can’t pay rent anymore.
That’s why it’s good that people are donating to funds like these. Celebs donate big amounts. Even if it’s less that 1% of their worth. Who cares? It’s 10mil, that’s a lot of money and can do a lot of good.
My point was, I notice the people who screech about celebs not donating enough either don’t donate themselves or wouldn’t even consider donating the percentage of their money that they feel these people should be donating. It’s hypocritical.
The rock is a good person, he’s worked to get where he is. He’s entitled to his money just like every other Tom, dick and harry is.
As much as I dislike shitty rich people, looking at you Elon, it’s still their money. And if we screech about how they should spend their money, it’s only fair that we can then be told how to use ours too. Would it be nice if people like him used money for good, yes of course. But end of the day, it’s their money to do with as they choose. And even a donation that isn’t huge to them, is huge to others in need. So it shouldn’t be complained about. It should be seen as good.
Oprah Winfrey grew up in inner city poverty where she was sexually abused, bounced to different homes, so maybe we don’t pretend her path was easy.
Her current wealth is the result of the decisions she’s made. Not every wealthy person can say that they earned their wealth but as she started with nothing… she can.
Does she need that much more than us, and why doesn’t she feel the need to give it all back to help people who are in that situation she started out in?
Who got fucked to get you where you are? How much slave labor contributes to your lifestyle? Should we hold you responsible because you put your own comfort before that of those toiling in sweatshops?
Did you need that smartphone more than they needed a living wage? Why don’t you feel the need to give it all back to help people out who will never be as rich as you are right now?
Please stop mocking the rock. for the love of Pete and everything that is holy, please leave the fact he makes more on a single movie than most of the small towns and villages of the area are worth. Oh please stop mocking the rich and super well off whoa are asking everyone to give money they could give themselves in, but only want to give so much.
How is rock going to be rich if he’s just helping useless assholes who can’t afford to help themselves?
you probably don’t even give when wal mart tells you to.
Is it their money though? They didn’t make it by themselves, they have whole teams they depend on and people that, in this case, watch them. The simplest answer is that they shouldn’t have to give because they should be paying enough taxes (i.e. more than they pay now) that they shouldn’t have to worry about aid programs not having enough money to help.
People complaining about rich people not donating more are hypocrites
This is the trap of marketing and communication. They donate for the image, to hide the image of the rich disconnected from the reality of the poorer.
I’m all for the rich to contribute to pay and help the people, but not through charity. The rich must be taxed, and these taxes serves to help with government jobs, so everyone has a word to say. With taxes, we help the poorer, we help in case of natural disasters, we found the researches, we give access to healthcare, we… With charity, we help the riches to keep an oppressive system of power over the poorest. It’s a system to keep the huge gap between rich and poor.
The rich are taxed. They pay way more than you do. They pay way more than the non rich people combined. The top 10 rich people pay more taxes than all the non rich people. So don’t come at me about taxes. Your tax contribution is basically nothing. Whereas they pay insane amounts.
In my country. You pay 40% tax if you earn over 100k a year. Which isn’t even rich, but you basically give up nearly half your wage you work fkn hard for. So don’t try pull the tax bullshit.
Exactly this. Last year I paid so much in taxes that I almost had to cancel one of my ski trips to the Swiss alps and had to think really hard about whether to hold off on buying a new private jet (my old one is already several years old and it makes me feel embarrassed when my friends have a newer one than me).
Meanwhile, lazy poors walk around crying like I’m not paying enough when what do they pay? A few thousand dollars? Basically they pay the price of one dinner? Stop complaining, ingrates!
Do you honestly think someone who earns 100k a year works twice as hard as someone who earns 50k a year?
And if the 50k earner only pays 20% and the 100k earner pays 40%, they are still earning 50% more than the low earner. Even theoretically it’s not particularly unfair.
Let’s see. The bottom 50% of wage earners pay about 3% of the total US income taxes. The top 1% pay close to 40% of that burden. As a percentage of income, the top earners pay 25% while the bottom 50% pay around 3.5%. If the bottom 50% didn’t pay in at all, the budget could likely absorb the hit.
What would be fair? 50%? 80%? 90%? 110%? Summary execution and confiscation of assets as seems to be popular in some circles here?
The most shocking thing to me here is the tax rates. Everywhere I’ve lived, the lowest bracket of income tax rate is 20-30% rising to 50% for high earners. The fact that the highest earners in the US (literally multi-millionaires and billionaires) are only paying 25% is outrageous to me. The average income tax paid for the 1% bracket is $400k, meaning they are still going home with at least $1.2mil a year. Why are the bottom 50% even paying anything? It’s obscene.
That’s not the point of taxes. At least not in a civilised society. People who can’t afford to contribute should be getting most value out of it.
You think the more taxes you pay the more value you should get out of them? Real “I pay cops wages so they work for me” and “I got mine, pull the ladder up” vibes.
And FYI I would not be in the bottom 50% here, so it’s not some “freeloader trying to get myself a tax cut” opinion. I already pay a considerably higher percentage of income tax than your billionaires! I’m happy to pay taxes because they are for the good of the society I live in and because I have empathy for those in need, but that’s evidently not the prevailing sentiment over there.
To earn near or just over 100k a year you need to be a specialist surgeon for 10 years. That’s not including the years it takes to become a surgeon anyway.
I donate 10% of my income every month, which is as much as I can and also 33.3x more than 0.3%. Don’t paint everyone with the same brush, especially not to defend the haves from the have-nots.
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I honestly dont care either. I get sick of people telling others how they should live and what they should do with their own money. Be happy they donated 10 mil. That can do a lot of good.
If people are willing to tell others how to spend their own money, they should also accept others telling them how to use their money too.
Its like the free speech bullshit. People think it’s fine to police others speech just because they don’t like what they’re saying, but if someone tried to police their speech they get butthurt. Stop trying to police people and just be happy when someone does something good.
I think we need to differentiate between rich people who got rich through honest work, and rich people who got rich through deliberate exploitation.
Most if not all billionaires are part of the second group, and they do not deserve the money they have. People who got rich like that are the whole reason others depend on charities and donations to get by in the first place.
Oprah is definitely an exploiter. She’s exploited her audience for years, pushed crooks and frauds to the fore (Jenny McCarthy and her stupid anti autism shit, Dr Phil/Oz,), and (my personal least favorite) she promoted a faith healing rapist which likely got some of her fans raped.
I agree with this so much. It is becomming a standard response. Like, let’s see you donate that percentage of your net worth (and oftentimes these people donate to multiple causes over the years). I’m also not saying ‘those poor multimillionnaires’, there is enough wrong worh our system. But they are doing something while you only go full keyboard warrior.
People keep bringing up “percentage” like it means anything at all. If I donated 10% of my net worth to Maui, I would have to skip groceries for a couple of months to get by. If Oprah were to donate 90% of her net worth, she would still have more money than I’ll ever see in my lifetime. Percentages mean nothing to the lifestyles of billionaires.
Only a cool 0.3% of their combined networth.
I mean if you have a car then 0.3% of your net worth is probably at least $1
If you don’t want to donate $1 because you think someone else should be donating more then you’re worse than them
I’m not saying you should, just that if you don’t you shouldn’t judge them
Yeah, nah mate.
My bank balance is in the negatives until payday, when I get paid it’ll be back to negative within the week.
I’ll fucking judge them until they’re no longer living multiple lifetimes of luxury while others suffer.
Your point? Would you donate half of everything you own or all of it? Probably not. At least they’re helping.
People complaining about rich people not donating more are hypocrites, cause I don’t see any of you donating too or donating the percentage of what you earn/ have in the bank that you think they should be donating.
If they donate half of what they own they would have more money than they and their family and their ancestors could ever spend. If i donate half my money, i can’t pay rent anymore.
What a silly argument. I guess next week they can donate the other half of their wealth for the next disaster and just be a broke poster on lemmy, eh?
Let’s see the receipt for your donation of .03 of your net worth, then?
Wanna see mine? I don’t have one, but I’m not sitting here complaining about people who donated 10M, either.
Boot taste good?
I sent in a nickel, so Oprah and I are in the same level now with philanthropy.
I have a negative bank balance so I guess they owe me money???
You’re welcome for my donation.
I am barely surviving.
I feel you. Me too.
That’s why it’s good that people are donating to funds like these. Celebs donate big amounts. Even if it’s less that 1% of their worth. Who cares? It’s 10mil, that’s a lot of money and can do a lot of good.
My point was, I notice the people who screech about celebs not donating enough either don’t donate themselves or wouldn’t even consider donating the percentage of their money that they feel these people should be donating. It’s hypocritical.
The rock is a good person, he’s worked to get where he is. He’s entitled to his money just like every other Tom, dick and harry is.
As much as I dislike shitty rich people, looking at you Elon, it’s still their money. And if we screech about how they should spend their money, it’s only fair that we can then be told how to use ours too. Would it be nice if people like him used money for good, yes of course. But end of the day, it’s their money to do with as they choose. And even a donation that isn’t huge to them, is huge to others in need. So it shouldn’t be complained about. It should be seen as good.
It’s simple: I also worked where I am (arguably harder than a movie star) and I don’t have a fucking mansion and 10 million to throw at charities.
It’s not fair so don’t expect us to treat them fairly.
Oprah Winfrey grew up in inner city poverty where she was sexually abused, bounced to different homes, so maybe we don’t pretend her path was easy.
Her current wealth is the result of the decisions she’s made. Not every wealthy person can say that they earned their wealth but as she started with nothing… she can.
Now ask yourself 2 things:
Who got fucked to get her where she is?
Does she need that much more than us, and why doesn’t she feel the need to give it all back to help people who are in that situation she started out in?
Who got fucked to get you where you are? How much slave labor contributes to your lifestyle? Should we hold you responsible because you put your own comfort before that of those toiling in sweatshops?
Did you need that smartphone more than they needed a living wage? Why don’t you feel the need to give it all back to help people out who will never be as rich as you are right now?
Thanks for reminding me the very reasons of my depression, I could’ve handled that myself.
If you think making movies is so easy, then go and do it.
If it’s way easier than what you do then it shouldn’t be that difficult right?
Oh ffs you know what I mean, stop that.
Please stop mocking the rock. for the love of Pete and everything that is holy, please leave the fact he makes more on a single movie than most of the small towns and villages of the area are worth. Oh please stop mocking the rich and super well off whoa are asking everyone to give money they could give themselves in, but only want to give so much.
How is rock going to be rich if he’s just helping useless assholes who can’t afford to help themselves?
you probably don’t even give when wal mart tells you to.
You can’t force people to learn.
All we can do it try.
Hope y’all have a great day!
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Is it their money though? They didn’t make it by themselves, they have whole teams they depend on and people that, in this case, watch them. The simplest answer is that they shouldn’t have to give because they should be paying enough taxes (i.e. more than they pay now) that they shouldn’t have to worry about aid programs not having enough money to help.
This is the trap of marketing and communication. They donate for the image, to hide the image of the rich disconnected from the reality of the poorer.
I’m all for the rich to contribute to pay and help the people, but not through charity. The rich must be taxed, and these taxes serves to help with government jobs, so everyone has a word to say. With taxes, we help the poorer, we help in case of natural disasters, we found the researches, we give access to healthcare, we… With charity, we help the riches to keep an oppressive system of power over the poorest. It’s a system to keep the huge gap between rich and poor.
The rich are taxed. They pay way more than you do. They pay way more than the non rich people combined. The top 10 rich people pay more taxes than all the non rich people. So don’t come at me about taxes. Your tax contribution is basically nothing. Whereas they pay insane amounts.
In my country. You pay 40% tax if you earn over 100k a year. Which isn’t even rich, but you basically give up nearly half your wage you work fkn hard for. So don’t try pull the tax bullshit.
Exactly this. Last year I paid so much in taxes that I almost had to cancel one of my ski trips to the Swiss alps and had to think really hard about whether to hold off on buying a new private jet (my old one is already several years old and it makes me feel embarrassed when my friends have a newer one than me).
Meanwhile, lazy poors walk around crying like I’m not paying enough when what do they pay? A few thousand dollars? Basically they pay the price of one dinner? Stop complaining, ingrates!
Do you honestly think someone who earns 100k a year works twice as hard as someone who earns 50k a year?
And if the 50k earner only pays 20% and the 100k earner pays 40%, they are still earning 50% more than the low earner. Even theoretically it’s not particularly unfair.
Let’s see. The bottom 50% of wage earners pay about 3% of the total US income taxes. The top 1% pay close to 40% of that burden. As a percentage of income, the top earners pay 25% while the bottom 50% pay around 3.5%. If the bottom 50% didn’t pay in at all, the budget could likely absorb the hit.
What would be fair? 50%? 80%? 90%? 110%? Summary execution and confiscation of assets as seems to be popular in some circles here?
The most shocking thing to me here is the tax rates. Everywhere I’ve lived, the lowest bracket of income tax rate is 20-30% rising to 50% for high earners. The fact that the highest earners in the US (literally multi-millionaires and billionaires) are only paying 25% is outrageous to me. The average income tax paid for the 1% bracket is $400k, meaning they are still going home with at least $1.2mil a year. Why are the bottom 50% even paying anything? It’s obscene.
Do the bottom 50% get no benefit from those taxes?
Interesting how the “tax those with more” crowd always seems to exempt their own income from these rules.
That’s not the point of taxes. At least not in a civilised society. People who can’t afford to contribute should be getting most value out of it.
You think the more taxes you pay the more value you should get out of them? Real “I pay cops wages so they work for me” and “I got mine, pull the ladder up” vibes.
And FYI I would not be in the bottom 50% here, so it’s not some “freeloader trying to get myself a tax cut” opinion. I already pay a considerably higher percentage of income tax than your billionaires! I’m happy to pay taxes because they are for the good of the society I live in and because I have empathy for those in need, but that’s evidently not the prevailing sentiment over there.
So here I will use doctors as an example.
To earn near or just over 100k a year you need to be a specialist surgeon for 10 years. That’s not including the years it takes to become a surgeon anyway.
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I donate 10% of my income every month, which is as much as I can and also 33.3x more than 0.3%. Don’t paint everyone with the same brush, especially not to defend the haves from the have-nots.
Church tithing doesn’t count as donating to charity, IMHO.
I agree. I don’t go to church. I donate to a children’s hospital in my city.
They’re giving the equivalent of 150$ for someone who make 50k/year… In isolation I would say that yes many people donate a higher % of their income.
Realistically, it’s one of many causes they donate to.
You have fallen for wealthy classes trap.
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Thank you Sabby for exposing these rich frauds.
DON’T GIVE THESE PEOPLE ANYTHING"
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I honestly dont care either. I get sick of people telling others how they should live and what they should do with their own money. Be happy they donated 10 mil. That can do a lot of good.
If people are willing to tell others how to spend their own money, they should also accept others telling them how to use their money too.
Its like the free speech bullshit. People think it’s fine to police others speech just because they don’t like what they’re saying, but if someone tried to police their speech they get butthurt. Stop trying to police people and just be happy when someone does something good.
I think we need to differentiate between rich people who got rich through honest work, and rich people who got rich through deliberate exploitation. Most if not all billionaires are part of the second group, and they do not deserve the money they have. People who got rich like that are the whole reason others depend on charities and donations to get by in the first place.
Also, if honest work was all it took to get rich the world would be completely unrecognisable.
Oprah is definitely an exploiter. She’s exploited her audience for years, pushed crooks and frauds to the fore (Jenny McCarthy and her stupid anti autism shit, Dr Phil/Oz,), and (my personal least favorite) she promoted a faith healing rapist which likely got some of her fans raped.
I can’t force you to keep learning.
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I agree with this so much. It is becomming a standard response. Like, let’s see you donate that percentage of your net worth (and oftentimes these people donate to multiple causes over the years). I’m also not saying ‘those poor multimillionnaires’, there is enough wrong worh our system. But they are doing something while you only go full keyboard warrior.
People keep bringing up “percentage” like it means anything at all. If I donated 10% of my net worth to Maui, I would have to skip groceries for a couple of months to get by. If Oprah were to donate 90% of her net worth, she would still have more money than I’ll ever see in my lifetime. Percentages mean nothing to the lifestyles of billionaires.