• leadore@kbin.social
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    Unless this is sarcasm, please get real. I can’t believe how many people actually think POTUS is some kind of emperor of the world who just has to decree what they want and the other countries’ leaders obey. You think he just has to tell Netanyahu “Stop” and he stops? Surely you’re not that naive.

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      Cutting off supplies to Israel wouldn’t stop the genocide immediately, but it wouldn’t take long

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      It’s not naive to learn from history, like when Reagan told Israel to stop their assault on Lebanon and Israel stopped in less than 24 hours.

      Or when HW Bush called up Israel and ended that conflict overnight.

      But maybe you’re right, maybe Netanyahu is too entrenched to stop this time. Biden can still stop sending the bombs. He can stop sending the money. He can stop vetoing UN peace resolutions. He could tell his press office to stop running cover for Israel. He could stop bringing up the “40 beheaded babies” lie.

      He could do so much to stop this genocide, yet he refuses.

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      Maybe we need a strong progressive president who will hold Isreal accountable, like Ronald Reagan

      In addition to not vetoing UN resolutions, Reagan took several actions that many in Israel and the United States perceived as anti-Israel. For example, on June 7, 1981, less than six months after Reagan took office, Israel launched a surprise bombing raid on the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, and, in so doing, violated the airspace of Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Reagan not only supported UNSC Resolution 487, which condemned the attack, but he also criticized the raid publicly and suspended the delivery of advanced F-16 fighter jets to Israel. Moreover, over the strident objections of Israel and the pro-Israel U.S. lobby groups, Reagan approved the sale of advanced reconnaissance aircraft (AWACS ) to Saudi Arabia, which Israel then viewed as a hostile state.

      A year later, in August 1982, when Israeli forces advanced beyond southern Lebanon and began shelling the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut, Reagan responded with an angry call to Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, demanding a halt to the operation.

      In addition, during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, Reagan intervened directly when Israel threatened to blow up the Commodore Hotel in downtown Beirut, which housed more than 100 western reporters. As David Ottaway, who was then the Washington Post Middle East correspondent and was in the building, pointed out, the Israeli defense minister did not like the media coverage the invasion was getting and wanted to close down the media center.

      Biden, on the other hand, even though he had an hour’s notice, failed to intervene to stop Netanyahu from bombing and collapsing the 12-story building that housed the offices of Al Jazeera and the Associated Press in Gaza during the recent bombing campaign. He also failed to publicly condemn the attack, let alone challenge Israel’s contention that the building sheltered Hamas military intelligence assets, despite AP’s insistence that its staff had no evidence that such assets were or ever had been present.

      In addition to allowing the UN resolutions to pass and suspending the F-16 delivery, Reagan also restricted aid and military assistance to Israel to help force its withdrawal of troops from Beirut and central Lebanon.

      Therefore, if in the future some members of the Biden administration or Congress want to join the international community in condemning Israel’s behavior, or in conditioning U.S. assistance or arms transfers and face resistance from Republicans, they need only point to the precedents established by President Reagan in the first instance.

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        “a strong progressive president … like Ronald Reagan.”

        wtf? Progressive?!!!?! Reagan?!??!?!!? am I living in the Bizarro World now? Does no one know any history any more? It wasn’t even that long ago that Reagan and Thatcher ruined the world. Please educate yourself. Reagan busted the unions, deregulated industry, massively slashed taxes on the wealthy, and ushered in the era of escalating income inequality that continues to this day and destroyed the middle class (it was a thing we had for a brief period after WWI up until Reaganomics).

        If you think Regan was some great president because of that oversimplified account you copy/pasted about an incident with Israel then you’d better rethink how you come to conclusions about shit. Educate yourself – and rethink your conclusions about Biden while you’re at it. Life is more complicated than your propaganda sources would have you believe.

        Here’s a couple links about your hero Reagan.
        https://time.com/6334291/racial-wealth-gap-reagan-history/
        https://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/reaganomics_killed_americas_middle_class_partner/

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      2 months ago

      Bro, why you telling people to get real on the shitpost community…

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      Man you (either intentionally or unintentionally) underestimate just how much the POTUS can order Israel around. Reagan did it, Bush did it, hell even Biden did it. It’s not rocket science.