Israeli intelligence sources reveal use of ‘Lavender’ system in Gaza war and claim permission given to kill civilians in pursuit of low-ranking militants
You’ll soon see that nuance is dead on Lemmy. Hamas indubitably commits war crimes en masse, as does the IDF, but morons will only ever excuse those of Hamas, rather than condemning both sets of actions.
I think nuance goes out the door when tens of thousands of innocent civilians are butchered in the name of defense.
Hamas is bad, that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions.
I don’t agree. Neither the IDF nor Hamas fall under Geneva Convention (GC) protections because both have brazenly and repeatedly contravened it, thus excluding themselves under the GC’s own stipulations. They are both doing sick shit and are both lending more fuel to each other’s propaganda fires.
Oh so human rights just end when some armed folks feel like and that’s all fine and dandy?
And why ought Palestinian civilians be subjected to the disregard of human rights that the IDF and even Hamas have? Sounds like you are thinking of the Palestinian people as interchangeable with Hamas, such as the people may be punished by their acts and they can’t complain about it.
You speak of nuance but if anything you are erasing nuance. “Both sides bad so it’s all fair”. Nevermind relative civilian death tolls, infrastructure and household damage. Nevermind the whole history of this conflict going back decades.
Absolutely not, but when you insist on putting words in my mouth and then arguing with that straw man, there is little use in arguing. You are here to hold forth, not discuss.
They’re starting to get pushback with their more methodical genocide and you somehow think they could get away with just instantly wiping out Gaza from the map (especially many years ago when it was bigger)? Hey, maybe israel is special and can pull it off, but this is still a genocide either way.
I did not said that. I said that if they really wanted then they had a lot of opportunities to do it in the past. Now they probably don’t care as long as they are left alone by Hamas.
This is Israel going ahead with the genocide because this is the Israeli government is finally “conservative” enough to actually do it instead of just talking about it.
The judicial reforms were one indicator, this invasion is another.
Already said, it is sad and nasty but I cannot avoid to think that this is the only possible outcome given how Hamas and the Gaza civilian decided to act.
voted for Hamas, well knowing what the Hamas political program were/is
let Hamas steal all the aids that the rest of the world send them
let Hamas use them as shields
let Hamas to destroy that little infrastructures they had to build weapopns
agree with Hamas to ever refuse any possible peacefull solution
let Hamas put weapons in their homes
let Hamas hide in their homes
celebrate, even women and children, every attack on the west (they celebrate the twin Towers attack, but I know, it is not on YT or Goggle so it does not exist)
and now they are getting what they voted for. I mean, you cannot continually hit Mike Tyson in the face and then go crying to your mother when he hit back…
I only want that they will be hold accountable for the consequences of their own choices, like everyone should be. Is that that wrong ?
You apparently think that you can’t get punished for unfinished genocide, or for one that you didn’t like. As if punishment were some expense for doing it. It’s not, and nobody owes fiends anything (and due process doesn’t exist between states).
Right so because they aren’t obvious in a crowd it’s better to murder the whole crowd? Are kids Hamas? Cuz there’s a whole lot of murdered kids on Israel’s hands.
Maybe not, but why people ask only to Israel to respect internations laws and the Geneva convention ? The Geneva convention has a series of stipulations and one of them said explicitly that if you don’t respect it for your enemy you loose the right to invoke it for yourself.
So, Hamas openly ignore any international law and openly admitted it (Hamas leaders said that they use their civilians as shields to the scope to have everyone pressure Israel) but somehow Israel is the bad guy.
Man, I don’t like it, I think it is very sad and nasty, but the more time pass the more I am thinking that all this is the application of the “they fucked around then they found out” applied to the Gazan civilians. Israel left Gaza years ago (10 ? 15?), they had the possibility to elect their government and they choose Hamas, which has in its constitution to destroy Israel, they let Hamas to steal all the international aids. Now they are in the situation to be used as human shield by the same people they elected. Maybe it they wanted to live in peace, they should have choose more wisely…
BTW, I am old enough to remember Palestinian women and children to celebrate the attack on the twin towers back in 2001, so maybe they are not really as innocent as they want to be seen from the others.
Probably standards have changed within generations. Now, we’re at a point where younger people feel free to criticize their own military. There are people who hates US military back when Iraq War was a thing that has a beef with IDF. It’s more sympathy toward people that did not sign up for combat, and acknowledging that engagement should ever be between combatants. Older people simply don’t understand that yet.
If you want people to follow sophistics instead of what they see, then at least those should be consistent.
They didn’t choose Hamas, not in any legitimate election. The “they let” part you could also apply to them letting Israel bomb them.
Ultimately they are victims of the Israeli state which blockaded Gaza, killed its inhabitants when it saw fit and at the same time pretends than anything in response to that can be unjust.
Speaking of “international law”, what uniform do Hamas fighters wear?
You’ll soon see that nuance is dead on Lemmy. Hamas indubitably commits war crimes en masse, as does the IDF, but morons will only ever excuse those of Hamas, rather than condemning both sets of actions.
I think nuance goes out the door when tens of thousands of innocent civilians are butchered in the name of defense. Hamas is bad, that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions.
I don’t agree. Neither the IDF nor Hamas fall under Geneva Convention (GC) protections because both have brazenly and repeatedly contravened it, thus excluding themselves under the GC’s own stipulations. They are both doing sick shit and are both lending more fuel to each other’s propaganda fires.
Oh so human rights just end when some armed folks feel like and that’s all fine and dandy?
And why ought Palestinian civilians be subjected to the disregard of human rights that the IDF and even Hamas have? Sounds like you are thinking of the Palestinian people as interchangeable with Hamas, such as the people may be punished by their acts and they can’t complain about it.
You speak of nuance but if anything you are erasing nuance. “Both sides bad so it’s all fair”. Nevermind relative civilian death tolls, infrastructure and household damage. Nevermind the whole history of this conflict going back decades.
Absolutely not, but when you insist on putting words in my mouth and then arguing with that straw man, there is little use in arguing. You are here to hold forth, not discuss.
Cool evasion bro. You’re sure dedicated to the nuance you are calling dead.
Apparently world central kitchen uniforms you fucking monster.
This justifies genocide in your mind?
Man, do you people realize that if Israel really wanted to commit a genocide then Gaza would have been erased from the map many years ago, right ?
Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace
Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) and Summery by the International Court of Justice
ICJ Order 28 March 2024
Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated
AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC
Nice, now show me all the times that was asked to Hamas to follow the same laws.
One thing of the war laws is that if you don’t follow them with me, you cannot ask me to follow them with you. And I would be in the right.
They’re starting to get pushback with their more methodical genocide and you somehow think they could get away with just instantly wiping out Gaza from the map (especially many years ago when it was bigger)? Hey, maybe israel is special and can pull it off, but this is still a genocide either way.
I did not said that. I said that if they really wanted then they had a lot of opportunities to do it in the past. Now they probably don’t care as long as they are left alone by Hamas.
This is Israel going ahead with the genocide because this is the Israeli government is finally “conservative” enough to actually do it instead of just talking about it.
The judicial reforms were one indicator, this invasion is another.
Israel has jumped the shark.
Already said, it is sad and nasty but I cannot avoid to think that this is the only possible outcome given how Hamas and the Gaza civilian decided to act.
You are blaming the CIVILIANS in Gaza?
WTF.
I hope you were well paid to voice that opinion, otherwise …
Well, your CIVILIANS
and now they are getting what they voted for. I mean, you cannot continually hit Mike Tyson in the face and then go crying to your mother when he hit back…
I only want that they will be hold accountable for the consequences of their own choices, like everyone should be. Is that that wrong ?
It’s being erased and they are really committing it.
Maybe they didn’t want to commit it when the world was a sunnier place and that would get them punished real quick.
There is no genocide, if there was the casualty figure would be far higher.
You apparently think that you can’t get punished for unfinished genocide, or for one that you didn’t like. As if punishment were some expense for doing it. It’s not, and nobody owes fiends anything (and due process doesn’t exist between states).
Getting higher every day. Majority children.
Right so because they aren’t obvious in a crowd it’s better to murder the whole crowd? Are kids Hamas? Cuz there’s a whole lot of murdered kids on Israel’s hands.
Sound logic my guy
Maybe not, but why people ask only to Israel to respect internations laws and the Geneva convention ? The Geneva convention has a series of stipulations and one of them said explicitly that if you don’t respect it for your enemy you loose the right to invoke it for yourself.
So, Hamas openly ignore any international law and openly admitted it (Hamas leaders said that they use their civilians as shields to the scope to have everyone pressure Israel) but somehow Israel is the bad guy.
Man, I don’t like it, I think it is very sad and nasty, but the more time pass the more I am thinking that all this is the application of the “they fucked around then they found out” applied to the Gazan civilians. Israel left Gaza years ago (10 ? 15?), they had the possibility to elect their government and they choose Hamas, which has in its constitution to destroy Israel, they let Hamas to steal all the international aids. Now they are in the situation to be used as human shield by the same people they elected. Maybe it they wanted to live in peace, they should have choose more wisely…
BTW, I am old enough to remember Palestinian women and children to celebrate the attack on the twin towers back in 2001, so maybe they are not really as innocent as they want to be seen from the others.
Guerrilla Warfare isn’t a new concept. Especially when fighting in home territory.
True, but Guerrilla Warfare tactic has its consequences. You use it, you need to be ready to pay the cost.
Probably standards have changed within generations. Now, we’re at a point where younger people feel free to criticize their own military. There are people who hates US military back when Iraq War was a thing that has a beef with IDF. It’s more sympathy toward people that did not sign up for combat, and acknowledging that engagement should ever be between combatants. Older people simply don’t understand that yet.
If you want people to follow sophistics instead of what they see, then at least those should be consistent.
They didn’t choose Hamas, not in any legitimate election. The “they let” part you could also apply to them letting Israel bomb them.
Ultimately they are victims of the Israeli state which blockaded Gaza, killed its inhabitants when it saw fit and at the same time pretends than anything in response to that can be unjust.