UBI is implemented tomorrow. Every citizen gets $1000 per month.

Landlord now knows you have an extra $1000 that you never had before. Why wouldn’t the landlord raise prices?

Now you have an extra $1000 a month and instead of eating rice and beans for a few meals you go out to a restaurant. The restaurant owners know everyone is eating out more so why not raise prices and maximize shareholder profit as always. The restaurant/corporation is on TV saying, “well, demand increased and it is a simple Economic principle that prices had to increase. There’s nothing we can do about it”.

Your state/country has toll roads. The state needs money for its deficit. UBI is implemented and the state/country sees it as the perfect time to incrementally raise toll prices.

Next thing you know UBI is effectively gone because everything costs more and billionaires keep hitting higher and higher all time net worth records.

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    You’d increase taxes along with UBI, so most middle class people would end up neutral (or slightly positive). You can’t just dump tons of money into the economy without turning other dials to keep it stable.

    A wealth tax would essentially be redirecting money from the top 1% and guarantee a stable monetary floor for everyone.

    Probably there’s a dozen other changes, along with bankruptcy protections, interest rates, and anti scam protection would also need to be implemented.

    You identified an obvious problem, which has been considered by intelligent UBI advocates that have studied this for a long time.

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        People are focusing too much on your number, and too little on your take.

        I think that a strong progressive tax works better than just two brackets (no taxation vs. full taxation). Specially when coupled with universal basic income - the idea is to eat the rich, not the slightly less poorer, on those you just nibble.

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        Huh? Does that mean $2k/month is your cap for what anyone should ever need/want? It just seems incredibly low to me so I’m confused.

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      Don’t forget price controls (including rent control), strong anti-collusion legislation and strong antitrust.

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      I think this is kind of the big problem with the messaging. I know plenty of economists say it would work, but it’s non-intuitive to most of us.

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        This seems like it’s the only way it would work.

        Everyone gets a certain amount a month.

        You get taxed a certain amount back depending how much you make above some threshold. The average wage could be good.

        So now the high earners are funding the system. But if they get sick and can’t work the tax goes away but they’re still getting that base payment automatically.

        Low earners get help and high earners get a safety net.

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        I have found that economy experts say that things are counterintuitive more often that any other field. I think at this point I have just accepted that the economy is some black magic that I’ll never understand. So I’m gonna smile, nod, and let the experts do their thing.

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          Ah yes, economy experts. The ones who can’t solve any single economic problem and who can’t predict a single crisis. Very useful people.

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        Do people understand that rent and other necessity prices are skyrocketing right now without income increasing? They are not intertwined in the way the myth of raising rent to match UBI is presented.

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          Rents are skyrocketing because demand is high and we literally do not have enough housing for the number of people we have in the places they live.

          Suddenly dumping more money into the economy would just increase the price bar on that demand, and prices would go up more.

          Prices can increase for a lot of reasons, and going up from one doesn’t stop them from going up from another.