• TherouxSonfeir@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    Anarchism has too many forms and communism doesn’t work on a large scale (greed and corruption are too easy).

    I’m not saying capitalism is working!!

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      Socialism exists only as a stepping stone to the end goal of anarchism/communism.

      If you don’t believe those work, there is no point in advocating for socialism.

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      4 months ago

      What, specifically, about Communism is easier to take advantage of with greed and corruption than Capitalism? Why can’t these issues be cleared up with policy changes, and are structural to Communism?

      Why does Anarchism having more forms detract from its validity?

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        4 months ago

        Bro. Show me a successful communist nation in which its citizen are happy and with all its basic necessities covered.

        • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.world
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          Bro. Show me a successful communist nation in which its citizen are happy and with all its basic necessities covered.

          Name me a country where this happens.

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              So, just so we’re clear, Communism doesn’t work, because it hasn’t been successful.

              But Capitalism does work, even though it hasn’t been successful.

              We do have Socialist nations and they are doing better than everyone else, with the highest happiness rates, and most of the necessities covered. But to answer your question, we have no successful countries at all. The closest we have are Socialist nations.

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          Answer my question first. Until then, I’ll ask another: which Capitalist nations can be considered successful, happy, with all basic necessities covered? Not even the Nordic Countries do that, and they still brutally exploit the global south.

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            I don’t know, man… most developed nations are having quite a nice ride compared to the so-called communist countries.

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              Do you think it’s because they are Capitalist, or do you think it’s because they’re developed, and started industrializing earlier, with plentiful access to global trade?

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                Does this matter? Every communist state I’ve known has failed.

                The idea may sound good in principle, but clearly humans can’t grasp it.

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                  It absolutely matters. If you’re tying development to quality of life, which I agree with, you also have to make the absolute claim that Socialist states can’t develop, which I disagree with. Capitalism is only a few hundred years old anyways, and already is failing, ie disparity is continuing to accelerate to unsustainable levels.

                  First of all, what is a “Communist state?” There’s no such thing, so if you clarify what you are referring to, that would help.

                  Secondly, clarify what you mean by “failed,” because either you don’t know much about leftist states or you’re using a different meaning of the word “failed.”

                  Finally, what do you mean “the idea sounds good on paper?” If it sounds good on paper, ie it works in theory, what about reality is an unknown factor? If humans can’t grasp it (whatever that means), then it doesn’t work in theory!

                  You’re playing red scare bingo, lol

                  • El Barto@lemmy.world
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                    A communist state is just that. A nation that adopted communism.

                    I never mentioned socialism. I think socialism is okay. Or at least democratic socialism.

                    I was referring to communism.

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            I see you tankies don’t know what it is at all. My family has lived through that shit, so you can kindly go fuck yourself. Bad capitalism is 1000xs better than anything communism can spit out.

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              Weren’t you the guy that even after a 10+ long comment chain still fundamentally didn’t know what Communism was, and then ran away when I threw an actual quote from Critique of the Gotha Programme?

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                Naa I got bored of arguing with a dumbass tankie. You still think communism is going to magically make people want to work harder than others without rewards and you also still think those in power won’t abuse an it.

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                  You can get more rewards, lol, and in Communism, there isn’t anyone “in power.”

                  I’m not a tankie, you just legitimately have no idea what you’re talking about.