What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation | US education | The Guardian::Teachers say mobile phones make their lives a living hell – so one Massachusetts school barred them

  • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    Crazy how people otherwise firm supporters of freedom of speech and freedom of tech suddenly change their minds when the person involved is under 18.

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      6 months ago

      Are you unfamiliar with the principal that things which are appropriate for adults are often not appropriate for children?

      • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        According to the United States, it’s appropriate to imprison children for delinquency that is things that are criminal for children that are not criminal for adults.

        So no, I have little faith regarding what my society decides is right for kids.

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            The notion that some things may be inappropriate for kids is easly misused when it’s turned into a principle and as such we end up where the US is now, withholding civil rights from children and using child safety to push identity politics.

            I do hope you are not a parent.

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              I hope you aren’t either. You probably try to make everything into a political diatribe.

              Actually, I hope you don’t have kids, because you are clearly not a parent, regardless of whether you’ve been able to spawn.

              • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                I’m not a parent, a point that has informed my relationship with my stepdaughters and grandson. When we lived in the same household, they still had their respective dads, for better or worse, and I couldn’t replace them. As a friendly adult, my role was to affirm to my wife’s kids that their feelings are valid even when they couldn’t express them with the sturm und drang they warranted.

                Of what I’ve seen of parents, including my own, their jobs commonly leave them far to exhausted to actually parent (or run a household, or relax, or engage in their civic responsibilities). Industry has long driven society to intergenerational mental illness, and kids are often having to confront adult situations early.

                But yes, events and policy in Florida and Texas have shown us that it is en vogue in places to withhold information from children, not so much to protect them, but to keep them from questioning the values of their parents, teachers, ministers and officers who direct them. Efforts to obstruct access to porn turn quickly into efforts to obstruct access to health information, to LGBT+ content, to the darker chapters of US and western history, to alternatives to capitalism, to even the beatitudes.

                To be fair, Moms For Liberty and the adults making scenes at PTSA (PTA?) meetings don’t represent all parents, and I actually kinda hope they aren’t parents (or as you noted, progenitors) themselves. But we naked apes don’t typically choose to breed for the benefit of our spawn, but because we want the cute thing, not thinking about the outraged, frustrated teen they will grow into, or the struggling, beleaguered adult struggling to fit into a society that wants to use and discard them like an expendable mechanical part.

                Kids don’t know the difference between ignorance and innocence. That is a projection placed onto them by society, and I think kids should have the same access to information on the clitoris or plantation economics or communism or Sappho of Lesbos as they do Alexander Hamilton, the steam engine, Christopher Columbus and Washington Irving.

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                  6 months ago

                  I never said anything about restricting access to information. We’re talking about banning phones from classrooms, which I see as no different from not letting kids drive cars.

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        I’m familiar with the sad fact that many people believe that. Knowledge should never be age restricted. If a kid doesn’t want to learn about, for example, sex, and finds it gross, that’s one thing. An entire society conspiring to keep them from knowing about it till they’re about 11 is quite another.

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          How about restricting children from driving cars?

          A phone is a tool, not knowledge. Kids can find all the knowledge they want without having phones on them at all times.

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          Yes, that’s why I’m completing fine with my kids watching online videos of ISIS prisoners being burnt to death in a dog cage.

          Can I ask if you have kids?

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            Given how responsibility for much of the violence in the world falls at the feet of the society that is deciding how to censor information from our kids, I find it quite appropriate that they have access to terrorist executions and cat killing videos.

            The US gives few fucks that such videos exist, or that our society was built on massacres and slavery. We just don’t want our kids to know the grim legacy that they’ve been given.

            Considering kids today are going to be middle aged when the climate crisis catches up to us, it raises questions of ethics what people were doing having kids in the first place.