• HyonoKo@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    I prefer the Gom Jabbar but the Shopping Cart seems like a viable alternative.

    • Neato@ttrpg.network
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      7 months ago

      Gom Jabbar always seemed like a pointless task. Are you “human” by being able to willingly withstand physical pain? Some people have higher pain tolerances and willpower; doesn’t make them beasts.

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        7 months ago

        It was always more about the triumph of the mind over the body. When the body is screaming to run away, the mind retains control. That is what makes someone Human.

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        7 months ago

        I think the idea was that you knew that it’sa test and that you’d die if you remove the hand, so it’s less willpower and more reasoning over instinct/fear, at least in theory. You have to presume the box is at least tuned to different people’s pain thresholds or whatever.

        Also, the text pretty much says that Mohiam is doing it wrong more or less on purpose:

        “Enough,” the old woman muttered. “Kull wahad! No woman child ever withstood that much. I must’ve wanted you to fail.”

        If you give the benefit of the doubt that Herbert figured out the practicalities and wasn’t going by rule of cool (which he absolutely was) the implication is that the person administering the test has some control of the itnensity and you’re supposed to deal with some pain you’re supposed to hold, not become convinced that your hand is a charred stump like Paul is.

        That, and the movie verisons amp the whole thing up a lot, so it comes across a bit differently.