These are just standard maga talking points, why would it be equated to Russia and Israel?
Because russia heavily influence those talking points.
Russia is now behind the stereotypes the nazi Germans used? And the neo nazis now use?
Who is falling for this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
Compare MAGA talking points with news on Russia Today or Sputnik.
Ask your MAGA friends what they think about the EU, NATO, UN, Ukraine, Zelensky, Putin, Biden, Trump then compare with Russian interests.
It couldn’t be any clearer. What are the odds that MAGA views nearly in 100% overlaps with Russian best interests?
honestly I don’t think your conclusion is that accurate as you are missing a common factor between RT/Sputnik and MAGA : both are right wing nationalists .
while from what I remember there is some evidence showing that the raise of the new alt-right in the US is not fully organic , I feel like saying their views are just astroturfed end of discussion is quite pointless .
just to make my point clear : Israel also has a online propaganda campaign which often aligns itself with the views of the Democratic party in the US . one could say something along the lines of “It couldn’t be any clearer. What are the odds that Democrat views nearly in 100% [of cases] overlaps with Israeli best interests?” suggesting that the entirety of the Democratic party’s support is artificial , which is made easier by the exsiance of Israeli funded political organizations in the US .
but this is of course bullshit . the impact of Israel’s foreign politics is not the entirely of the Democratic party , nor is it correct to say that everyone who says anything positive about the Democratic party is a “Hasbara troll” . (also of course as neonazis on twitter have realised , Trump is as also affected by these forces , no you don’t want to know)
I believe this also should be applied to the other side : Trump has tapped into preexisting American sentiments towards right wing nationalism and with a mixture of luck , charisma and support from both national and foreign interest groups rallied them around himself .
mind you I’m not saying this to paint the views of Trump’s supporters as legitimate , I hold quite opposite views , but because I think your analysis is limited .
lets take the EU as an example : an American nationalist will quite naturally hold some distrust of foreign blocks , which is then compounded by the EU having some liberal policies . its not necessary for a foreign entity to artificially create these views since they are a natural extension of other views this political group has .
Disinformation campaigns don’t necessarily need to come up with new rhetoric, they just need to normalize it so that it appears more acceptable to some people. Amplifying and normalizing this sort of thing among certain groups helps to solidify their views and further radicalize them.
It’s like any other form of advertising, you try to find something that sticks then beat it to death. Then you find something else, and repeat the process. In this case the antisemitic rhetoric is still unfortunately effective.
But that’s also exactly what this meme is doing?
Pointing out these talking points are being artificially amplified by actors whose sole purpose is to damage society is normalizing them?
Except there is evidence of so-called troll factories in places like St. Petersburg hidden in plain sight in regular buildings where Russians pass off as other nationalities (like Americans and the French) to poison public discourse online. It’s one thing to make stuff up and another to expose what happens where there is undeniable evidence.
So that makes it okay to do the exact same thing in response?
I’m sorry I’m just having issues trying to work out how this is a meme
Do you have a condition that makes you incapable of putting together a logically coherent response or are you being intentionally obtuse?
How is this the same thing? lol I literally linked you to an official website about this very thing being uncovered. I don’t even know how to respond to you because you make no sense.
I feel its worth noting that this article suggests the actions of this group is/was centered on the war happening in Ukraine . I’m not sure what the other person was saying but it does not follow , nor is it reasonable to conclude from this information alone that these agents operate on other topics .
Yes but to them everything has to be Russias fault even when it’s just what the republican party has been for decades.
I guess I shouldn’t have thought there was logic in this meme
Well, of course, it’s a huge topic and that’s just one article that supports the idea. I’d need to link to several to cover the bases. I didn’t have time yesterday to write an essay before I headed out. The point of the link wasn’t to back up exactly what I’m saying but to give a rough idea that I’m not just making the whole thing up.
If you want something more in-depth on the Facebook campaigns that dives into the 2016 election, try An Ugly Truth by Frenkel & Kang. Several chapters are dedicated to how these troll farms were discovered and how they used the platform to reach their audience.
Still, I invite you to do a basic search on this topic and if you need me to dig up some articles for you I can see what I can find, it’s not that hard to figure it out.
There is also their classic:
Nazis are not that bad, but we also have to exterminate the Ukrainians because they are Nazis.
Both narratives are pushed, but to different crowds. Division is the goal, most certainly not telling a straight story.
It’s true, but not how they’re portraying it.
Israel is absolutely committing genocide.
Russian propagandists are highlighting it every time Biden’s name is mentioned to sway Democrats from voting.
It’s been the Republican play forever. They don’t need to convince you that Trump is good, just that Biden doesn’t deserve your vote. That’s enough for Trump to win.
They love using Stein, Gabbard, Greenwald to wedge-drive as well.
They also keep on stoking Bernie Sanders as an excuse to not vote, while managing to marginalize or dismiss Bernie’s own words of urgency that the right-wing/republicans represent a clear and present danger, that one’s unmistakeable civic duty is to register to vote, and cast that vote for Biden/Democrats in November.
They did it in '16, tried it in '20, are still doing it. Pointing at Bernie, while keeping his voice on “mute”.
If Russian misinformation online was so effective, then why dont we see other countries and institutions doing the same?
And in fact we do. The CIA and Dept of Defense have similar programs. The CCP and many EU spy agencies do it. And the historical leader in influencing online discourse is Israel.
Israel’s Hasbara propaganda campaign is huge. Students receive scholarships for posting online disinformation. The IDF has a well-funded military arm dedicated to influencing online discourse.
So when we only hear about Russian bots and Russian influence, it feels disingenuous. It is pushing a political narrative. There is a genocide going on. The US administration is supporting it. This meme is downplaying it.
tl;dr: is OP a Hasbara bot?
Not a bot, just a human who’s against antisemitism and for Palestinian rights. But seriously, those phrases are like Twitter’s Greatest Hits.
If I were a Hasbara bot, I’d probably have better comebacks programmed in.
The post history
The fact that this exists and they werent Inglourious Basterds tells me Russia is winning.
I don’t know what this photograph is depicting.
Nazis proudly walking the streets in Tennessee
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/neo-nazi-rally-nashville-condemned-state-lawmakers/
Oh, right. That’s not great.
I’m thinking something more like alcoholic-pregnancy victims with atrocious teeth, wearing fake chinese Adidas, getting paid vodka and meth wages as they mindlessly try and drag the world down to their septic tank level of existence.
And here I thought Russia instigated the conflict for shit and giggles. Who would have thought Putin was capable of something like this?
/S
damn, i wonder how america could throw a wrench in the plans of alleged russian disinformation campaigns that focus on biden’s active support and denial of genocide?
perhaps biden could stop sending weapons and stop denying the genocide?
Nah that would just be giving the win to Russia or China /s
I haven’t seen anything like what is portrayed in the image. Maybe it’s a Facebook thing?
This meme is on another level of reverse psychology (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
