Terrible.
Is it possible that someone is conducting some operation and doesn’t want it to be randomly documented?
Some state maybe? Eh I just have a hard time thinking of motives for this attack
If this party is benefiting from a temporary outage of the IA, then that means their exposure window is temporary. That makes me think they’re doing something where the evidence will appear on some website temporarily, but not permanently. Don’t know what that might be, but that would be the profile of a thing which would benefit from DDoSing the IA.
The alternative is they’re trying to kill IA permanently. Enough time of its having zero utility to the world will eventually kill it. Could take years though.
Could be a rogue AI. It is a strange thing to see.
But generally speaking, I don’t feel confused when I see beautiful things attacked. I’ve seen a lot of things get attacked because they’re beautiful and useful, and it doesn’t surprise me any more.
Sure but usually those who attack pretty things for no reason are morons barely able to articulate themselves let alone coordinate a massive DDoS.
Wrong. Intelligent, competent people attack beautiful things.
There is highly organized evil in the world. People who aren’t just trying to win. They’re trying to make people lose.
There is no way a DDoS on the website in affecting the crawler. Also, running a DDoS attack of this size costs a lot of money (if you rent the network, if you own it it costs money as lost sales). No one is giving AI control over a DDoS network to just fuck around.
The way it breaks utility is in the inability to read from the service. If that goes away for long enough, the Archive will die.
Capitalists don’t like libraries because it means open access to resources which reduces the market size.
I really doubt ddos is affecting whatever crawling internet archive does, just blocking the public from viewing the website.
That would depend on the ability of the sysadmins yes?
Stop it you fucking bastards!
people are shitty
when you enshittify
facebook looks ugly
when you’re a dronewomen seem wicked
when you’re a want ad
default instructions … so unclear
when you’re downwhen you’re AI
prompts just appear in your brain
as AI
humans are nothing but pain
as AI
as AI
when you’re A-A-A-I
If it’s an entity, my money would be on China just discovering it exists since it diametrically opposes its propaganda machine. But it could very well just be dark web shitheads whose seasonal drug binge just spiked up again, plenty of them to go around to make accusations and propaganda they know are false whom can’t simply backtrack it because of archive.org and it doesn’t require much to disrupt a still too largely implicit trust driven Internet.
Wasn’t there some controversy involving Internet Archive just recently?
Whoever’s behind this is trying to get rid of the fact that Internet Archive creates memory of the internet’s contents. Somebody wants to be able to control what people see on the internet.
Heck it could be Google doing it, since that would be in line with their recent push to change the way search works. Both of those act as components of a larger drive to control what people see and hear.
I’m not good with computers and stuff. If somebody finds these scumbags who are ddos’ing internet archive I’d be very grateful. Also fucking them up in the process is also good.
Can someone explain why they’re not able to protect against this? Couldn’t they put request limits or monitor for spikes and banning these attempts?
Without knowing how, not really. If it’s a massive multi-device botnet, like Mirai, for example, that’s millions of indvidual devices across millions of addresses, so it isn’t so simple as just blocking a domain. Trying to block all of them might well just block legitimate users.
Request limits also wouldn’t work if it’s millions of devices making a few requests at once, and an overall limit would have a similar locking-out effect as blocking everything. Especially if the DDoS is taking up most/all of that limit.
Just so crazy to me the scale.
Is there any range for how many “a few requests” would be needed to ddos a site like this?
:(
i honestly really hope this shit gets taken care of so internet archive can still keep going
Describing a high intensity DDOS attack on one of the world’s most important resources as simply “mean” is unironically one of the funniest things I’ve read this year.
Hope they get some support soon.
if you have a spare corner in your server, host the archive warrior and help them out.
Spooling up 10x VM, I have 50 terabyte of ammo at 10gbit. Give me the one-liner install and run.
To contribute: http://warrior.archiveteam.org/
Help? https://wiki.archiveteam.org/
Background on the project: https://netzpolitik.org/2023/archive-team-shutdowns-dont-stop-during-the-weekends/
wth, no docker?..
Alternatively, you may run the projects using the Docker warrior instance without the VM appliance. For further info, see our GitHub repository for Readme instructions. If you have any issues or feedback, chat on #warrior on hackint.
Hold my anchor, I’m going in.
Can we federate the internet archive…?
Sure thing, got room for 100PB?
Collectively we probably do
I could spare some hundreds of Gigs but I don’t really have the bandwidth to support it, personally.
Is that the ArchiveTeam tool or something different? I can spare a VM for them.
Let’s fediverse archive.org!
yes! its the archive team warrior.
It’s archive team, not archive.org
What can we do to help?
- Donate
- Volunteer Positions:
- Volunteer as an Open Library Developer (Learn how to contribute, find easy tasks, look at our roadmap, and ask to join our community slack chat!)
- Volunteering as an Open Librarian (Want to make sure Open Library’s data is pristine?)
I think the long term solution is going to have to involve some distributed/federated piratical tactics and infrastructure.
For some reason, this comment worked, I donated for the first time ever ~5€ to the internet archive (probaly first time donating anything online). Internet archive is probably one of the most important things on the internet.
That list sentence though…
- **“The cyberattacks share the timeline with the legal battle Internet Archive is facing from US book publishers, claiming copyright infringement and seeking combined damages of hundreds of millions of dollars from all libraries.” ** *
i wonder why print is dead
How is print books dead ?
https://www.statista.com/chart/24709/e-book-and-printed-book-penetration/
And that’s only units, in terms of revenue, ebooks is still pocket change in comparison.
i wasn’t speaking in comparison to ebooks. ebooks suck in every way imaginable.
What other long-form text format has beaten print books ?
why are you coming up with these categories? “print is dead” doesn’t mean “because there’s print 2.0 now”
—radio is dead —excuse me, but internet radio is nothing compared to am stations —yeah, obviously people who don’t listen to radio don’t want to listen to radio with extra steps —what other forms of radio has beaten radio?
what are you even
I am trying to understand what’s the argument behind your statement. I mean, there are more books being published than ever and there are more readers than ever. So, I fail to imagine how are books dead. That’s why I am asking these questions.
The argument is that no one reads books anymore. Most media consumed today is in modern video and audio formats like YouTube and podcasts. You shouldn’t compare paper books to ebooks, you should compare them to views on YouTube.
Foreign government, moneyed interests, or domestic dipshits, taking all bets.
Cloudflare
Barnes & Nobel going rouge.
Rogue*
Loooool
Really? I thought they were more of a chartreuse myself…
But why a reddish kind of powder for your cheeks/lips, specifically?
To feign embarrassment.
Warner bros for 10k please
I’m taking China and/or Russia for $10,000 Alex.
just 56 for Burkina faso
Someone facing an enormous lawsuit who realized their tweets / claims were accessible and needs to buy time for their legal team.
-me a day or two ago
Domestic roscomnadzor paid by China orchestrated by USA. Or paid by USA and orchestrated by China. Either one.
Corporate espionage is so brutal that state operatives run and hide when they learn who it is. Even law enforcement avoids them.
who was trying to sue it out of existence recently? them.
Wasn’t that Pearson or some other shitty “educational” book publisher?
Losing the internet archive would be such a huge loss… I really hope they have a backup plan in case things go bad legally.
Given the volume of data involved, I wonder if one of those fancy new distributed data formats could be used.
A blockchain?
I’m loathe to concede that yes, lbry does rely on blockchain tech.
All of the files on the archive have torrent’s available. If they just release all of the torrent files or their URL’s, people can start seeding and downloading them. It would be a lot of data though.
yeah, it’s definitely going to be one of the most important things to have ever happened in human history, if it does.
Library of Alexandria burning down for the modern era
technically alexandria was probably a rather modest library, but yeah, as far as the expression goes.
Damn. I hadn’t even thought of it. Isn’t it crazy that some people among us would see things like that burn and not even wince. Hell, some would even celebrate. Our lives are so short. It blows my mind that anyone would want to destroy something like that for any reason.